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Anybody Growing Dieffenbachia or Heliconia in Big Vivs?
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Thinking of adding them in some of my big vivs. I am wondering if anybody has them growing in-viv?

Rich
Darts with parasites are analogous to mixed tanks, there are no known benefits to the frogs with either.


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RichFrye Wrote:Thinking of adding them in some of my big vivs. I am wondering if anybody has them growing in-viv?

Rich

Dieffenbachia will be hard to contain, I remember one my dad used to have that was well over 10 feet tall. Looking for more natural bromeliad alternatives?
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Tony Wrote:
RichFrye Wrote:Thinking of adding them in some of my big vivs. I am wondering if anybody has them growing in-viv?

Rich

Dieffenbachia will be hard to contain, I remember one my dad used to have that was well over 10 feet tall. Looking for more natural bromeliad alternatives?

I know some species can get big, but I can always top them.
Looking for a low light plant that obligates actually use in the wild. Some of those don't grow super tall.

Rich
Darts with parasites are analogous to mixed tanks, there are no known benefits to the frogs with either.


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Have you used Dieffenbachia with frogs before? I have always avoided it because the sap is such a powerful skin irritant, but I'm wondering if the frogs that live among them naturally have a resistance.
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Here's a few different species:

http://creationsofearth.com/cgi-bin/cat ... FFENBACHIA
https://www.facebook.com/dartden/

https://twitter.com/DartDen


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Tony Wrote:Have you used Dieffenbachia with frogs before? I have always avoided it because the sap is such a powerful skin irritant, but I'm wondering if the frogs that live among them naturally have a resistance.

I've not, (one of the reasons for the post) but I know darts use them for depositing tads, and I believe the sap only really is an issue to us if you break the stalk.
Darts with parasites are analogous to mixed tanks, there are no known benefits to the frogs with either.


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Philsuma Wrote:Here's a few different species:

http://creationsofearth.com/cgi-bin/cat ... FFENBACHIA
Do they sell to the public Phil? I see a couple which look very similar to dart habitat dieffenbachia.
Darts with parasites are analogous to mixed tanks, there are no known benefits to the frogs with either.


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RichFrye Wrote:
Tony Wrote:Have you used Dieffenbachia with frogs before? I have always avoided it because the sap is such a powerful skin irritant, but I'm wondering if the frogs that live among them naturally have a resistance.

I've not, (one of the reasons for the post) but I know darts use them for depositing tads, and I believe the sap only really is an issue to us if you break the stalk.

The trimming necessary to keep one under control would release a lot of sap. I guess it depends on how big you mean by "big", maybe überviv 2?
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Tony Wrote:
RichFrye Wrote:
Tony Wrote:Have you used Dieffenbachia with frogs before? I have always avoided it because the sap is such a powerful skin irritant, but I'm wondering if the frogs that live among them naturally have a resistance.

I've not, (one of the reasons for the post) but I know darts use them for depositing tads, and I believe the sap only really is an issue to us if you break the stalk.

The trimming necessary to keep one under control would release a lot of sap. I guess it depends on how big you mean by "big", maybe überviv 2?

I've got a decent number of 3' tall vivs, which is about the tops some of the smaller species grow to. I believe there is a 'pitch' you can 'cauterize' plants with to stop sap from flowing. But again, I've seen some species which should fit in my larger vivs without topping.
Darts with parasites are analogous to mixed tanks, there are no known benefits to the frogs with either.


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I have some that are in waiting to be used.....I got them at Meijers which you should have in your area Rich. They are atleast here in MI are $2.99 a plant. I have some small ones in my R. variabilis QT.....Everything I have read says harmful if it is eaten and can cause some skin irritation due to calcium oxalate crystals that are contained within the sap. I know it is reported that R. imitators do use them for deposition sites. The kind I have is Dieffenbachia 'Camille' and grows to a height of 0.5m(1.5ft) max height and a width of .4m. I will be planting them if I do in fact use them in pots just so I can easily remove if I need to.....

Dendrobates.org quote
"These frogs are strict phytotelm specialists, breeding in Heliconia, Dieffenbachia, and Xanthosoma. Host-plant choice seems to be a function of availability rather than preference."

Here is a link that talks about O. Pumilio and Dieffenbachia....
http://www.acad.carleton.edu/curricular ... p3abs.html

Another site that describes D. granuliferus and dieffenbachia in their habitat.
http://www.amazingpets.biz/gallery.html

Just a few I found in researching the use of that plant for dart frogs. Although I couldn't find anything about the effects of said sap on the frogs.
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Thanks James.
I know my obligates will use them, been researching them for awhile. I wondered if anyone had them in-viv yet, as I know there are bigger and bigger vivs being used now.
Thanks for the Meijer's species info. I'll definately check out the Meijer's around here (remember when it was old man Meijer's "Meijer's Thrifty Acres"? Big Grin ). That specifc species may even be a little small. I'll need to check out the axils.


Rich
Darts with parasites are analogous to mixed tanks, there are no known benefits to the frogs with either.


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#12
Dieffenbachia has sufficent axil size and depth to retain water and allow larvae to morph out ?

Does anyone have close up pics of this plant ?
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#13
Craploads of species, yes. I've had froglets morph in water that was barely keeping the tad damp...
Darts with parasites are analogous to mixed tanks, there are no known benefits to the frogs with either.


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RichFrye Wrote:Thanks James.
I know my obligates will use them, been researching them for awhile. I wondered if anyone had them in-viv yet, as I know there are bigger and bigger vivs being used now.
Thanks for the Meijer's species info. I'll definately check out the Meijer's around here (remember when it was old man Meijer's "Meijer's Thrifty Acres"? Big Grin ). That specifc species may even be a little small. I'll need to check out the axils.


Rich


Not sure how exact that measurement is to each plant, I am sure there are some that will tend to grow bigger......Yea "Thrifty Acres" I have worked there for almost 22 years....It was also the store "built on common sense" which isn't true either. Well not anymore.

Phil I could not find any pictures of the axles....
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