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Assisting Tadpole out of egg
#1
This seems to be an interesting topic to discuss...

Anyone ever cut or poke a membrane to assist a tad in hatching ? Experiences ,info ?
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#2
I have done this a few times on my regina tads. I only do this when the egg becomes "deflated" and what I do is grab part of the menbrane with tweezers, lift up, and free the tad. I also only do this when most of the other tads from the clutch are free already. I have never had any issues with these tads after helping them.
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#3
Interesting. Wouldn't you "not" want to do this. Survival of the fittest right?
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#4
Makes sense not to help them, but the ones I have grew into great, strong frogs with nothing wrong with them. Where I weed out the weak ones is if they cannot climb out of their containers when morphing. It doesn't happen very often, but if they can't climb the vertical walls and drown, that is a sign that they are weak and might have problems farther down the road.
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#5
I think we can also say, that the bigger breeders - businesses, should not be helping or assisting at any stage of the metamorphosis. But for the new hobbyist with some of their first tadpoles ? I would think that instance is ok.
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#6
Ever see "Match stick" arms ? I'm not talking the full blown SLS, where the frog can't even hold it's head up but just really really thin arms.

Survival of the fittest and even hand-culling the weak.....both have their place in the hobby as well, IMO.
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#7
I've never assisted in a tadpole hatching, as I have never had
one that could not break out of the egg on it's own.
Agreed, survival of the fittest.
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#8
Ive done it a few times but mostly out of impatience. One or two may of popped but ones still stuck in the jelly or just hasn't come out yet. I will fill the can with water and swirl it around until either the egg pops or comes free. Then I will dump the contents into a tad cup. If it lives then Yay if not then its no big deal. Since I have been less involved the past month I havent had to do that...matter of fact I have had puddles of tadpoles waiting for me to do something with them. A few even wiggling their way out of the can into the water down below. Nothing like a few free range tads in your tadpole cup bin.
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#9
It was suggested to me that I help the tads out of the jelly on another board. But they had that covered on their own. I'd probably just let them go, but then again- tads and I dont seem to get along. So, for me I wouldn't.
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#10
No worries, Kim. It's all a big process and often, things go awry. Since you are having problems with multiple tads....I would start chopping away at the variables, first, the water.

I would try grocery store spring water instead of homewater. You may have something really odd going on, from the obvious - city water, to the obscure - old pipe and home issues.

I use Indian Almond leaves for Tadpole tea but others report good things using commercial fish hobby blackwater extract.

Some thoughts...
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#11
That's what I found funny. The leucs were kept in plain spring water from a grocery store. I figured since the tad in the viv is in just plain filtered water that these tads would be fine. But I decided to do the tadpole tea just to "play it safe". I'm waiting to see if more tads show up, I'll probably pull one if they do so that I can continue the photo series I was doing of the development.
It's been confusing! Thank you for the tips, and I may end up trying that blackwater extract when/if my other frogs ever start breeding Smile
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#12
Philsuma Wrote:I think we can also say, that the bigger breeders - businesses, should not be helping or assisting at any stage of the metamorphosis. But for the new hobbyist with some of their first tadpoles ? I would think that instance is ok.
Even as a beginner Phil i think the survival of the fittest is the way to go,but i have a slight caveat,in that (even more so with beginners) a good healthy egg might have problems because of whatever inadequacies,in their care i might have...ie poor water,incorrect temps,adults diet,etc etc.there is a post on this thread that states his/her helped eggs grew into good strong healthy adults,so i guess this can work either way.great topic, I'm gonna argue with myself on this but try to stay my hand,and address the above as best i can.
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#13
I'm still of the mind to NOT assist or cut an egg to try to "save" a tadpole for the reasons above....

Just my .02
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#14
One thing that I CAN recommend for some tadpoles that seem to want to "overstay" there egg time, is to mist the eggs everyday or even twice a day and make sure they are not dry around they edges at all.
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#15
haven't had to assist out of an egg yet. sometimes a tad is stuck in the egg mass gel after hatching and i'll assist with that but haven't run into it with the eggs themselves.

i have had some tads take about 3-4 days longer than average to break out of an egg but have noticed they are larger and very healthy when they run a few days behind, actively swimming strongly as soon as they are put in tadpole cups.

i would rather this than hatching prematurely. i guess at what point would a person attempt it if it hasn't hatched. the tads that ran behind for me hatched on their own and are very healthy.

i agree survival of the fittest as it is in nature.

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