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Gallons???
#1
I recently read a thread on another forum where a guy was building a custom 120 GALLON 48 X 24 X 24 vivarium. Everyone was commenting how huge it was. I was thinking to myself why is it huge? It is less than twice the size of a 40 gallon breeder. So let's call it a 75 with 45 gallons of waste gallon vivarium.
A 40 is 36 x 18 or 648 square inches of terrestrial space. Whereas a 48 x 24 is 1152 square inches of terrestrial space.
Height is unimportant in terrestrial species. I have never saw a dart frog jump 12 inches over the floor. For arboreal species, the width and height matter more than the depth front to back. Dead space for open air is a waste of space.

Some comments :mrgreen:

Scott
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#2
More useable space could be utilized by building some sort of terrace in the back. Combining that with a very well thought out background, logs/wood for climbing, etc. you could make more usable space for terrestrial frogs. Generally you're right, there is a lot of wasted space there. This is one of the reasons I tell new/perspective froggers, pick your frog first, then suit your vivarium to the frog. DON'T get the tank first and throw any 'ol frog into it.
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#3
Exactly. I hate the " Hey check out my viv. what frog should I get?" Well, which biotope did you mimic??????

I know what you are saying Jon, but the majority of new members backgrounds are pretty flat. You can use vines,

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#4
another reason to start small with your first viv or 2. After a year or so, with scouring the forum, looking at other pics and maybe shows and friends tanks, you'll get a feel for a more advanced background / space utilization.

The newbies that 'go all out and big' to start kinda scare me. Isn't K.I.S.S still applicable when starting out. Not knowing if the tank in the OP is designed by a newb or now...just thought I'd toss out my usual unsolicited 2 ducats as per...heh
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#5
I listened to the MISFITS starting out, but as I get older I find myself listening to K.I.S.S more again.
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#6
From the questions that were being asked, I got the impression he was fairly new
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#7
...well, if you are going to err , err on the side of big-ish. At least the newb is not telling everyone that ten gallons is plenty fine if well thought out...
Darts with parasites are analogous to mixed tanks, there are no known benefits to the frogs with either.


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#8
I definately agree bigger is better. But the number of gallons isn't an indication of space is my point
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scott_r Wrote:I definately agree bigger is better. But the number of gallons isn't an indication of space is my point


Actually, it's exactly an indication of space, by definition.
What it is not and indication of is how that space has been or will be used.
Ten gallons will never be larger than ten gallons, even at it's best layout.
Darts with parasites are analogous to mixed tanks, there are no known benefits to the frogs with either.


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#11
And once again, my main points are;
1. Going too big is almost impossible. It may not be thought out as well as it could, may be 'wasted space', but bigger is better. It's the way to err, if you are going to err.
2. I hate to see certain people who are VERY experienced in posting (tens of thousands of posts...), but not so much experienced with keeping and breeding the same darts year after year after year and passing along real world, actual personal experience...

If you expect me to reply 'white' , your getting a grey Scott.
Darts with parasites are analogous to mixed tanks, there are no known benefits to the frogs with either.


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#12
Hahaha!! You did get that.

Actually, We agree completely, I just wasn't saying it correctly.
If a person has thousands of posts is that a sign that they are full of hot air?
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scott_r Wrote:If a person has thousands of posts is that a sign that they are full of hot air?


Not absolutely . It means that if they have tens of thousands of posts on a dart frog forum and most likely tens of thousands of posts on several other forums...they need to get a life, which means actually working with stuff they pontificate about long enough to pontificate about them and the hobby. And it means getting out of the bunker at least once per 1000 posts. :wink: Confusedhock: Confusedhock: Confusedhock: :wink: Idea
Darts with parasites are analogous to mixed tanks, there are no known benefits to the frogs with either.


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