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I have produced many Hybrid Dart Frogs
#1
I just got into this hobby about year ago and love my frogs! I bought a ten gallon tank and all the trimmings. I have been reading some of the other posts here about all sorts of technical stuff to keep your frogs alive. I am not trying to be an as@# but in my ten gallon tank I have 12 frogs of assorted variety with real moss (5 different kinds) Real plants, a fogger, It looks great and I have not cleaned it once in 6 months and have had to trouble keeping everything going. I have had 5 batches of babies that have all grown up in another ten gallon tank and are doing great. My frogs have reproduced with different species and colors and have given me some amazing color variations..... Hybrids I guess is what the professionals call them. What I am trying to say is the technical talk is great but to me some of you are making it harder than it is. I am not knocking your ways of keeping your frogs but mine seem to be doing very well with no muss and fuss and all I do is feed them twice a day and mist them about 5 times a day which as soon as I get my automatic mister will be a thing of the past........... Now all that is left is to enjoy my frogs and wait to see what colors I am going to get next. Big Grin
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#2
HI, Just wondered if you could introduce yourself so we know who we are talking to.

Rich Frye
Darts with parasites are analogous to mixed tanks, there are no known benefits to the frogs with either.


If tone is more important to you than content, you are at the wrong place.

My new email address is: rich.frye@icloud.com and new phone number is 773 577 3476
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#3
12 frogs in a 10 gallon tank???? that is crazy in my opinion, even if it is vents. Sure they may breed, but that just may be out of competition. I'm not trying to be rude or anything, but I believe in giving the frogs something that is as close to what they would encounter in the wild, and they will definitely not encounter a 20" x 11" x 12" rectangular area with 12 different frogs of different species in it. Also, if you do chose to hybridize, just please do not sell them into the hobby. THere is plenty of different color morphs and species out there as it is. We really don't need any hybrids being added into the hobby being called "Rare leuc morph" or something along those lines. PLease just keep the hybrids to yourself. We can't stop you from doing things the way you chose, but I think I speak for 90 % of this group by saying that that is really no way to treat such precious jewels. If I were you, I would invest in a few other 10 gallons, and split up your frogs, keeping only species together, and not such a large group. But, it is totally up to you. Anyway, I am sure you have read many posts about the types of things you are doing. Just remember, because the frogs are surviving, and possibly breeding, doesn't mean that they are healthy, or thriving.

Ed Parker
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#4
I do not intend to ever sell any of my hybrid frogs that breed. I will just keep setting up tanks for them as my populations grow (they are too pretty to sell). I will be buying breeding pairs soon (not hybrids) and keeping them in separate tanks so they can breed with there own kind and will be selling the offspring. I use empty film containers so they can lay the eggs and it seems to work great. I leave one whole and cut another one in half and slide it in the first container so I can pull out the eggs so they dont get hurt. I will upload a pic of one of my tanks later to see what you all think. As a response about the post that said "12 frogs in a 10 gallon tank???? that is crazy in my opinion, even if it is vents. Sure they may breed, but that just may be out of competition." If they breed they breed..... What difference does it make as to why they breed? My goal was to have them breed and I have accomplished that. I was not trying to be rude either. You will be happy to know that I will be buying a huge enclosure soon to house my personal frogs. Should be awesome when I get it set up. Gotta jet................. By the way my real name is Larry.
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#5
For those of you out there wondering...this is NOT the way to do things ("Larry's Way).

I also wonder, since these hybrids breed soooo well for you Larry, at what point do you have too many, and what do you do with them then. I know you said that you were going to get a big enclosure. What happens when that is full? Now granted you seem to be able to get about ten times the amount of frogs per gallon than us "normal" froggers, but wow Larry, you're looking at a crap-load of hybrids. And let me get this straight....you will not sell your hybrids because they are too pretty....but you are planning on buying pairs "of their own kind" , breeding them , and selling the offspring. Something smells....Where ya from Larry? If you could elaborate just a bit on the intro, I will know that I am not getting into a "hybrid war" with an 8 year old instead of 18, 28, 98, whatever.
I am sorry all the "technical stuff" is overwhelming to you Larry.
This is what happens when someone jumps out of the gate WAY TOOO early with no game plan.





Rich Frye
Darts with parasites are analogous to mixed tanks, there are no known benefits to the frogs with either.


If tone is more important to you than content, you are at the wrong place.

My new email address is: rich.frye@icloud.com and new phone number is 773 577 3476
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#6
"After the recent posting of hybrids for sale on Dendroboard , I am interested in asking froggers what their opinions on any "Pros" of hybrids in the Dart hobby would be.
If we get any, the "Cons" list can come afterwards, fast and furious. "

Above from the "who's afraid of the big bad hybrid" post.

Could you please throw in a few "pros" Larry?
Thanks,
Rich
Darts with parasites are analogous to mixed tanks, there are no known benefits to the frogs with either.


If tone is more important to you than content, you are at the wrong place.

My new email address is: rich.frye@icloud.com and new phone number is 773 577 3476
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#7
I can't believe this is happening! I am going to sit on this for a second before I rant. Larry...could you tell us a little more about yourself? How long have you been in the hobby? Types of frogs? Pictures of the hybrid frogs?
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#8
i would like to see some pics of your set up phantom along with pics of the hybrids
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#9
Larry,

I would be interested in knowing what species you are keeping together. Also, I wouldn't mind seeing your viv's as well. No hard feelings or anything, but I just don't agree with your "method", but it is totally your choice, your frogs, your money, etc. I just have to stress NEVER sell the hybrid frogs to ANYONE. We don't want a leopard gecko scene going on in the dart world now, if you catch my drift.

Rich, I was unclear on which post you wanted to have a list of pros and cons for hybrid frogs under, so I will add a few in here.
1. There are plenty of beautiful species of dart frogs, why confuse the hobby anymore with hybrids.
2. It is unnatural to breed a leuc with a tinc/etc. They would never come in contact with each other naturally.

I know this list is short, and all cons, lol, but I can't think of much else, and I can't think of any pros. I don't mind species mixing in a tank, as long as they are going to interact in the wild, and it is a huge tank( ie. pums and auratus). And, too your answer of what he will do with all his hybrids, lol, if he gets a hundred gallon tank, that is about 120 frogs he can keep in it by his standards :lol: :lol: :lol:

Ed Parker

(sorry larry, I don't mean to be rude, but you knew what kind of a response you would get posting this)
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