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Pumilio Site Locals, Names, Misnomers, and Huge Guesses
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Time once again to go through some terms, labels, misnomers, and the like.

Nancy/Solarte

I'll start with this local because I am frankly very tiered of one particular huge misnomer. At a certain point in time (more than a few years ago) , a certain frogger on the west coast decided he would put a name on Salt Creek Bastis which was incorrect, labeling them 'Solarte'. Solarte is synonymous with Cayo Nancy (which is why it drives me nuts when people call Cayo de Aguas simply "cayos". Cayo means island. Simple.) , Nancy, and Isla Solarte. They simply come from an island the natives either call Nancy or Solarte. On this island there are a few locals of darts which will vary a bit. And at least one local that has frogs which look a little different than the 'standard Nancy'. The one tiny population which just happens to look a little like the Salt Creek bastis was the excuse for the 'solarte' misnomer for salt Creeks. You see, bastis at the time were one of the very few site local that bred well. They also happened to be the very cheapest pum to buy. So, if one would like to raise the price of his/her bastis, simply put a false label on it, point to a frog on a nieghboring island and away you go. Don't mind the fact Salt Creeks (tiny, tiny) are consistently about half the total mass of any local found on Nancy...
Make sure you know where your nancies came from, and how the person you are asking knows exactly where they came from...



Darklands , Esperanza, and Caucheroes

There are by far more blue pumilio in our U.S. hobby which are labeled Caucheroes (correctly) than any other local. Many U.S. 'darklands' , in my mind, are mislabeled and are in fact Caucheroes.
In the wild there may seem to be one somewhat continuous population of these blue pums, but there are quite a few natural barriers to allow free flow of genetics.
Esperanzs happen to be closest to another local of frogs which usually shows more red than blue, or at least much more than the standard esperanza , but less than darklands. The progression from very large (caucheros are about 20% on average larger than darklands) solid blue frogs to frogs which are smaller and have often red markings is something which should throw up a red flag when considering the mixing of any of these three 'blue pum' locals. Simply put, these three locals are quite different enough to raise the question of exactly where we draw the line on mixing any of these locals.
There are at least three froggers here in the U.S. who have advertised their blue pums as 'darklands'. The info I have collected from them and others has led me to the conclusion that many of the blue pums here are not darklands, rather caucheros.
Make sure you know where your blue pums came from, and know how the person you are asking knows exactly where they came from...



Uyama River

Quite simply I do not believe I have read of or heard of one single commercial import which was confirmed definitively to be Uyama River Pumilio. Period. Guesses and speculation has prompted some to once again take the leap of picture guessing and assumption and throw a label on a frog which will never have it's origin known .
Make sure you know where your Uyama River Pumilio came from, and how the person you are asking knows exactly where they came from...



Robalo

Very similar in sentiment to the above Uyama River post.
Make sure you know where your Robalos came from, and how the person you are asking knows exactly where they came from...


North Pope Island

These frogs have been brought in in the past. I am almost absolutely certain of their local because of the collection process used by the person importing them.
The locals on Pope Island seem to differ in color and pattern. One local could be mistaken easily for cayo de aguas and another population has more orange than the usual green dorsal color. The only population I know of from Pope Island is the North Pope local.
Make sure you know where your Pope Island pums came from, and how the person you are asking knows exactly where they came from...

Cayo de Agua

Cayo, Isla, Island, Key, Kay, ect., ect., are all names for an island. Cayo means island. Lots of pums come from islands. Enough.
Cayo de Agua pums have been brought in by the same person as the Popes mentioned above. There are some site local cayo de aguas in the hobby.
'Yellow bellies' are not cayo de agua. Not until they are proven to be as such, and they never will be. As stated above, many of the pope Island pums look identical to some aguas.
Make sure you know where your cayo de aguas came from, and how the person you are asking knows exactly where they came from...



San Cristobal Island

There were a good number of best guess pums that came in starting about five years ago which were assumptively labeled 'cristobals'. The joke of it was that many were trying to find the exact mainland source of the island morphs...
There have been some brought in by that same guy who brought in the popes and aguas, but he was the same guy who brought in the best guess 'cristobals', so they have nicely been mixed and jumbled. Not so nicely I guess.
There is yet another shipment which has been brought in recently.
Make sure you know where your San Cristobal Island pums came from, and how the person you are asking knows exactly where they came from...


Bastimentos


This was the first well established pum in the U.S. There are at least three major locals for this frog which should not be mixed.
Polymorphic 'cemetery' local can be mixed no matter what color phase. Red frog beach should not be mixed with 'cemetery' locals, and the Salt creek local should also not be mixed with any other basti local.
Make sure you know where your bastis (any) came from, and how the person you are asking knows exactly where they came from...


Blue Jeans and Black Jeans

There are several locals of 'blue jeans' and these locals should not be mixed. Being that there are not many BJs in the hobby, and the import of them was either a long time (relative to the hobby) ago or they were smuggled, site local data for these are hard to come by. Black jeans are very closely related to the blue jeans, with an average leg coloration slightly darker than blue jeans.
Make sure you know where your BJs came from, and how the person you are asking knows exactly where they came from...


Man Creek, Almirante


These were some of the very first best guesses brought in, not by the above mentioned importer. The tag went back and forth between this and that, that and the other, and back again. You will find a few froggers who declare to know where these frogs came from which were brought in about six years ago, it is all, all speculation. If the local data was not able to be produced within the first few days of the import, it was lost or never had.
There have been local imports (same guy) with a couple different locals for man Creeks in the last couple years. They are to be found. The bulk are best guesses though.
Make sure you know where your Man Creek and Almirante came from, and how the person you are asking knows exactly where they came from...


Colon

These frogs probably have the highest possibility of having site local data than many of the morphs I have mentioned. There have been a number of studies and the offspring have made their way into the hobby. At least three distinct locals , not to be mixed.
Make sure you know where your Colons came from, and how the person you are asking knows exactly where they came from...



Bri Bri

Once again, from Costa Rica and local data is tough to find. A few locals . I am not sure what should , or should not be mixed with what. I hope to do some research on this . They are nice frogs to work with, although a bit skittish at times.
Make sure you know where your Bri Bris came from, and how the person you are asking knows exactly where they came from...(I know, the CR ones are tougher, but no excuses for the Panama stuff)


Escudo

While not technically a pum , I thought they were worth note.
Escudo is a tiny island. Any escudos should be mixed , and the practise of winnowing out all blue, red, or neon purple anything for the simple goal of producing something not continually represented in the wild should be avoided. In other words. Please don't selectively breed these for any certain aesthetic trait.
Same guy brought these in . I am 100% certain that they are what they are represented as. They were all picked up off that one tiny island.


Brunos and 'Chiriqui Grande'


Once again, about six years ago a bunch of best guesses came in. The first label for these greenish pums was 'Bruno'. These frogs are not Brunos. Period. The brunos are tiny, tiny compared to the other options (and frogs imported) and come from an area not financially smart to trek to when natives have a much shorter jaunt to pick up some larger green frogs off the jungle floor.
Not sure what these green pums are, and nobody else is either.
Make sure you know where your Brunos came from, and how the person you are asking knows exactly where they came from...


That's about all the pums I have enough knowledge about to post on.
I'd like to go into misconceptions, rumors, misnomers, or any other pum topic for that matter. Too many of these frogs are not being cared for in a proper manor. This includes misinformation being spread.


Rich
Darts with parasites are analogous to mixed tanks, there are no known benefits to the frogs with either.


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very very nice rich. extremely informative! especially about the bastimentos and escudos.


what do you have to say about the pastores/shepherd island pums?
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thedude Wrote:very very nice rich. extremely informative! especially about the bastimentos and escudos.


what do you have to say about the pastores/shepherd island pums?

Thanks.
I don't know enough about those pums to comment. Sorry.

Rich
Darts with parasites are analogous to mixed tanks, there are no known benefits to the frogs with either.


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