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Some links you may find helpful:
Link to Sherman Vent design thread:
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=7078
Chris Sherman's site - good for ideas:
https://www.facebook.com/shermantanks.co
Wes at V-scape vivariums:
http://www.v-scapeterrariumdesign.com
Custom vivs from a builder in Texas (now out of the hobby):
viewtopic.php?f=36&t=6486&start=200#p45425
viewtopic.php?f=23&t=7981
You can see the common features through all these vivs are the front opening / sliding doors and venting. Generally all the custom viv builders I have seen on the boards will drill holes wherever you like. There are unique nuances to all the different approaches the builders use, but front doors and vents are critical for easy maintenance and a healthy dart frog enclosure.
If you cannot get a custom builder to create a dart frog vivarium with the doors and venting you would like, I'd look at modifying commercial alternatives like an Exoterra (double hinged doors) or a Zoo-Med (single hinged door) which come already with the lower vent (you need to fly proof and modify the tops on all these vivs).
http://www.zoomed.com/db/products/Entry ... ntryID=100
http://www.exo-terra.com/en/products/terrariums.php
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Naked Wrote:Thanks for the info guys,
Have you two ever wondered how many more froggers (or better froggers) there are in the world because of the tips and time you put in this forum? Appreciate the kind words! It's a great hobby and DartDen helped me get started so I'm happy to give back.
Naked Wrote:Yes i know what I want in it; 2xRanitomeya benedicta 3xDendrobates leucomelas 1xDendrobates auratus....
and maybe a hamster... :lol:
I am just kidding, I know that this subject is very "touchy"
In all seriousness 4x leucomelas if i get the 90 gal. My second option would be cobalts. What would you say is the difference between these two ?
Back to the leucs, they seem to answer all my needs for a first frog ( i.e. bold,beautiful,hardy and uses all of the viv)
I would like to give them plenty of room and I do subscribe to your philosophy of adding multi-tiered ledges to augment the available space for the frogs. I actually bookmarked your website before even realizing that you where on these forums Hah well it's your viv . Mixing is a touchy subject, along with the inevitable hybrid discussion. It's a natural question from most newcomers (including me) especially if (like me) you were coming from the aquarium hobby where mixed species tanks are very common.
In terms of your selections, I think either would work out quite well. I don't have first hand experience with Leucs so I cannot provide a true comparison for you. Leucs are known to be a group frog, but if you go with a lower density in this viv, you could do a small group of tinctorius (e.g. 4). There is a common rule of thumb of keeping tincs in pairs only, but you can group them if you create the right tank layout with layers and visual barriers and if you know what to look for in terms of aggression and a wasting animal. I have a 2.2 bakhuis group that has been together for 2.5 years and my 3.1 Robertus group in the 120 that is doing well. I had 1.2 and 2.1 groups of lorenzo for a while but ultimately I split them out to get more pairings for tracking more diversity in the froglets I was producing.
You might want to reach out to Glenn (frogfreak) who's up your way, though not terribly close. He has a nice collection and you can likely find out more about what morphs are available in the region. You also have UE as well! They may open you up to other morphs you had not thought of. Glenn has some pretty nice la fumee that are unusual (and big!):
viewtopic.php?f=36&t=5635&start=40#p50780
viewtopic.php?f=36&t=5635&start=40#p51029
Naked Wrote:Now back to the tank. Finding a tank with the dimensions i want with out costing me an arm and a leg is pretty difficult.
I don't think he will be able to put mesh bellow the sliding door and to be honest i rather not see nobs right in the middle.
But if you tell me that I'll end up not noticing the nobs or that the pros out weight the cons... I will think about it.
I have seen many vivs with-out front doors, if i eschew the front door and put in an air circulation system would that work ?
Like these ?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AyrmF7ylTLE
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7ptkOqQI1s
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5QTRxbYtK8
He told me he does not drill holes in the tanks... so it could mean it it tempered glass and if so then i wont be able to make them for the mist king. I will have to ask him about that.
I would really love to have something deeper than 18" but if its too hard for me to find, well ill get an exoterra like everyone else.
Thanks again guys
-Naked Good plan on figuring out the type of glass in use. You likely would want to drill it yourself - siphoning out false bottom water may be challenging. I like flushing out my vivs periodically, and the bulkheads make that pretty easy, and for my vivs that are not drilled, I can siphon pretty easily through the front door. I'd find out more about the top design as well and make sure you have enough access to reach all parts of the viv. You could always route some misting tubing inside the viv along with your circulation system, but either way you'll have to work with the viv builder on how to get access for your plumbing / circulation system.
Keep ventilation in mind, not just circulation. Many folks keep their RH way above 90%, and this can be problematic for allowing the frogs to cool themselves through evaporative cooling if the viv is too buttoned up. Maybe circulating the air past the top vent is enough to draw some fresh air in?
Front doors are nice though ...  Maybe you can talk to him about side access panels. Just trying to think of ways for you to get easier access to the viv for maintenance.
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Check out Chris Sherman and somewhere on his facebook page is a link to his website and prices.
https://www.facebook.com/shermantanks.co
Compare his sizes and prices and designs to what you are looking for.
Can you take a glass tank across the US - Canadian border easily? It would be SO worth it to drive to New England and pick it up.
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Jim and Phil are giving you great advice on the tank, but I am excited to share my thoughts on the inhabitants!! I have had a proven pair of leucs for over 3 years now, and a trio of cobalts for 2 years now, so I am happy to share my thoughts about these. My leucs, supposedly "proven", have not produced at all for me, other than lots of jelly once or twice per year. Maybe they are too old, I just don't know. But I enjoy watching them, they are beautiful. My cobalts, on the other hand, are fabulous! I bought 3, as froglets, a few years ago. They turned out to be a 2.1 trio, and are quite prolific! I have 9 froglets from them, which are now actually juvies, as they morphed this past January/February. The cobalts are big and bold! The female is quite the go-getter, I have seen her court, and produce eggs, with both males. It is not unusual for me to get 2 clutches of eggs a week from them. I haven't perfected caring for the eggs, as most of them mold over and die.
For me, the cobalts are big, bold, and productive. They are beautiful, and I enjoy watching them very much. My leucs aren't as visible, and obviously not productive. The leucs are more shy, you can't always see them in the viv, they have good hiding places.
Whatever inhabitants you choose, best of luck! And keep posting!
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