azureus with possible throat infection

[metal benji]

Hey there all long time no post
Im in need of a little help from the more experienced among you.
One of my azureus has developed what looks to me to be an infection in his throat (just a guess, thats why im asking for help).





I'm hoping someone may have seen something like this before and be able to advise on some treatment for it.
He has been like it for days and has sat in water throughout, he has not tried to feed at all since the swelling appeared

Unfortunately none of the vets within any kind of reasonable distance deal with amphibians at all really but I have one close who is willing to help should I get advice from more experienced people like yourselves.

Any ideas please?
Ben

[metal benji]

I visited the vet this morning and she agreed with me that baytril topically applied would be the best course of action until we know otherwise and she is also in contact with a zoo vet that is local to find more out about it.
Im picking up the solution later as she is making it all up for me with the correct dosage based on the weight of the animal lol only 5grams!!

I'll keep people updated with progress but if anyone has any other suggestions then Im all ears +)

regards
Benji

[Azurel]

Good news to hear you seen a vet.....I hope that the meds works, it looks like it hurts.

[metal benji]

ok the treatment has been changed and I have to wait till tomoro to get it but it will be a solution that I can bath it in. Apparently the opinion between the vet and another colleague from another practise was that the alcohol in baytril would be an irritant so they have changed to the bath method. i cant remember what is in it but will update

[metal benji]

another update but whatever it was seems to have ruptured he's in Q and we are hoping he can hold on till we can start treating him.

[Philsuma]

Keep us posted. ANY pics you can take of this entire process would be helpful to many different people on many levels.

[RichFrye]

ok the treatment has been changed and I have to wait till tomoro to get it but it will be a solution that I can bath it in. Apparently the opinion between the vet and another colleague from another practise was that the alcohol in baytril would be an irritant so they have changed to the bath method. i cant remember what is in it but will update

The part I've bolded is incorrect.
You really need to find a vet who knows darts and not one doing a guessing game. Good luck , I hope it pulls through.

Rich

[Philsuma]

^^ Agree 100%

I dunno where you are located benji but here's a link to a list just in case you need it.

hospital-injuries-disease-and-treatments-f15/veterinarians-for-dart-frogs-arav-list-t4486.html

[metal benji]

Unfortunately I'm in the UK, in the south west which is really just the arse end of nowhere. I'm using the only vets for at least a 3 hour drive willing to help me out here. They are doing their best for me and that's all I can ask for really.
Maybe a little expansion about the baytril could help me in the future, also any opinion on it after seeing the pictures Rich?

He's still going this morning and before I start a treatment I would like an idea about all the options

Thanks for all your help
Benji

[metal benji]

Well he's still with us and is not reacting badly to being in Q. I am currently treating him with Tiacil, an opthalmic solution for dog cats and rabbits at a rate of 0.25ml to 1ltr of cooled boiled tap water. I have to bathe him in it for 1 hour everyday for 7 days. The swelling did seem to burst and become ulcer like ( before any meds were administered) but hasn't caused him any more discomfort. I am yet to see him have any interest in food.

Ill keep you posted

Benji

[metal benji]

Well day 3 of putting him in the bath has seen the wound shrink quiet considerably. He wasn't in for long as he reacted badly to the move from the Q tank to the tub we are using to bathe him. This in itself is good news however as he is no longer acting all lethargic like he has been. I still have not witnessed the frog attempting to feed, but then I have not been glued to the Q tank.

Ill keep you posted

Benji

[Philsuma]

What are you presenting as food ?

I would suggest some FF larvae in a very shallow bowl. Larvae seems to fatten em up and help in difficult situations.

[metal benji]

I have been offering mels but will give that a go thanks =)

[metal benji]

unfortunately he has gotten worse again now. His left eye has gone greyish and he's barely moving. Any ideas on what i can try next?

Regards
Benji

[metal benji]

well bad news this time.... the poorly azureus died last night, I don't think think we had a chance in making him get better as he seemed fine after the first treatment. the lump had gone the wound it left had healed he went back to being a normal frog and then went downhill so fast yesterday... while i was at work =( the treatment would have taken too long to have any effect on him poor guy =(

Thanks for all your help and kind words
Ben

[Philsuma]

That sucks Ben. This kinda thing happens to us all....something odd results in losing a frog. Don't beat yourself up over it.