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Save the Frogs - non profit organization
#1
Here's an organization about Awareness and Conservation that obviously has an impact on our hobby and Poison Dart Frogs specifically.

For your perusal:

http://www.savethefrogs.com/
https://www.facebook.com/dartden/

https://twitter.com/DartDen


"Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana".
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#2
Phil are you supporting Dr. Kriger? He does not support our hobby in any fashion.
Later and Happy Frogging,
Jason Juchems
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#3
I tried to construct my Thread here very objectively and without bias.

But since you asked......I personally, do not support the "Save the Frogs" organization.

I'd like the membership and guests here to research, gather information and form their own opinion.
https://www.facebook.com/dartden/

https://twitter.com/DartDen


"Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana".
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#4
Philsuma Wrote:I tried to construct my Thread here very objectively and without bias.

But since you asked......I personally, do not support the "Save the Frogs" organization.

I'd like the membership and guests here to research, gather information and form their own opinion.
I think that's admireable, but not in this case. Dr. Kriger is the type who will not stop until he's accomplished his goals. One of those is very anti pet hobby. Even keeping his post and organization name around here is nothing but advertisement to his cause. I vote that him and his organization become a censored word.
Tim
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#5
I saw his post where he refers to any publicity as "good publicity".

I disagree.

And here's why. As a forum owner, I am expected to have a more neutral vibe. It is up to the membership and ultimately the hobby, to set the overall tone for how they feel about what his organization stands for.

But I'm confident that enough members would post here on this thread,so that the hobby's tone would be readily apparent.
https://www.facebook.com/dartden/

https://twitter.com/DartDen


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#6
And now.....a counterpoint:

Save The Frogs ! - Exposed

http://www.facebook.com/savethefrog
https://www.facebook.com/dartden/

https://twitter.com/DartDen


"Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana".
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#7
As a forum owner, you are still allowed an opinion. It's not as if you're reporting this story on a news agency where you must try and remain neutral. This is a platform for opinions and without them there is nothing to discuss.
Tim
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#8
JuBJuB Wrote:As a forum owner, you are still allowed an opinion. It's not as if you're reporting this story on a news agency where you must try and remain neutral. This is a platform for opinions and without them there is nothing to discuss.


I don't disagree with your statement, Tim.

I guess I'm just content to pick my battles lately, is all. 10 Gallon fish tanks, Frog Flipping, Importers, Smugglers, thieves...

Those are some of the "less desirable to uncover and debate" topics that I seem to try to Champion. It's also because I have a gut feeling, and I'm usually right about those, that the STF (ironically close to STFU, lol) battle between our hobby and Dr. K is well taking care of by other members, as I've seen. So I'm less inclined to wade into a battle that the hobby is winning and will come out on top of.
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https://twitter.com/DartDen


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#9
I see some new activity from STF (STFU)....

Looks like they are branching out and going "international".
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#10
I have to say it is very upsetting to me and should be to many others that apparently Phil would start a thread on this site featuring Dr. K, giving him an unsolicited leg up on this forum gaining more exposure for his organization. I for one would have been real happy to never see that name on this site. I know it is your site Phil, and everyone should have freedom of speech here, but this guy could have posted his diatribe himself, I don't get why you did it for him? Bill
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#11
Dr. K seems like the frivolous lawsuit flinging type. Just sayin'...
Mike
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#12
Bill Schwinn Wrote:I have to say it is very upsetting to me and should be to many others that apparently Phil would start a thread on this site featuring Dr. K, giving him an unsolicited leg up on this forum gaining more exposure for his organization. I for one would have been real happy to never see that name on this site. I know it is your site Phil, and everyone should have freedom of speech here, but this guy could have posted his diatribe himself, I don't get why you did it for him? Bill

I've gotta be "current" Bill.

How in the world do you think he is getting a positive vibe here ?

A leg up ? How in the great blue hell do you think he has a "leg up" here, Bill ?
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#13
Philsuma Wrote:I saw his post where he refers to any publicity as "good publicity".

I disagree.

And here's why. As a forum owner, I am expected to have a more neutral vibe. It is up to the membership and ultimately the hobby, to set the overall tone for how they feel about what his organization stands for.

But I'm confident that enough members would post here on this thread,so that the hobby's tone would be readily apparent.

What part of this post don't you understand Bill ?
https://www.facebook.com/dartden/

https://twitter.com/DartDen


"Time flies like an arrow, fruit flies like a banana".
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#14
Philsuma Wrote:
Philsuma Wrote:I saw his post where he refers to any publicity as "good publicity".

I disagree.

And here's why. As a forum owner, I am expected to have a more neutral vibe. It is up to the membership and ultimately the hobby, to set the overall tone for how they feel about what his organization stands for.

But I'm confident that enough members would post here on this thread,so that the hobby's tone would be readily apparent.

What part of this post don't you understand Bill ?
You did post both sides, that is great! What I don't understand is why you brought him up in the first place? When you brought his organization to the forefront, I seen that as a leg up. You know as well as I do how he feels about the frog hobby and I would think it would be beneficial to not having unsuspecting new people providing financial support to an organization that does not have the frog hobbys best interest in mind. Bill
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#15
All hobbies have their antithesis - folks like me want to know about these organizations - I appreciate Phil bringing the topic to my attention. This goes beyond just a hobby, this is a free country and I don't want this radical naturalist Prof pushing some Senator to write a bill against people keeping pets, especially when it doesn't come close to solving many of the real root problems that plague rain forest habitats. There are responsibilities on both sides of the fence in this type of debate. Phil is allowing the hobby to engage the topic and hopefully recognize why organizations such as STF are a footnote for the rational of responsible and ethical pet husbandry.
Scott - North Dallas
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#16
Dart Dart MUST contain a thread on STF as it is directly effects the dart frog hobby. There should probably be a PETA thread here too. There are on DB still, right ? Unless they got deleted, but I tend to think they saved them there.

These are organizations that directly effect our hobby and we NEED to discuss them. They have an agenda and we can uncover it - in this case, it's "anti - captive hobby"

I know Bill....nothing personal. I know you hate the guy and I doubt he's much good either. I HAVE to have a thread on him and his organization here as it deals directly with the dart frog hobby.

I think the amount of $$ he gets from donations from DB or DD is infinitesimal......the exposure he gets versus the condemnation he gets from the very threads he starts here and on DB is actually worth it for us.

I think WE come out winning on this....not....KK
https://www.facebook.com/dartden/

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#17
Philsuma Wrote:Dart Dart MUST contain a thread on STF as it is directly effects the dart frog hobby. There should probably be a PETA thread here too. There are on DB still, right ? Unless they got deleted, but I tend to think they saved them there.

These are organizations that directly effect our hobby and we NEED to discuss them. They have an agenda and we can uncover it - in this case, it's "anti - captive hobby"

I know Bill....nothing personal. I know you hate the guy and I doubt he's much good either. I HAVE to have a thread on him and his organization here as it deals directly with the dart frog hobby.

I think the amount of $$ he gets from donations from DB or DD is infinitesimal......the exposure he gets versus the condemnation he gets from the very threads he starts here and on DB is actually worth it for us.

I think WE come out winning on this....not....KK

Hey Phil, just needed to clear something up. I don't hate him, hate is a very strong and mis-used word. I do not like him or his type of person, who imposes their will on everyone else because they are better than us, they are legends in their own mind.All they have going for them is money to stand upon to try and control us.Damn shame his dad couldn't find something better to spray his money at.
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#18
I agree on the word choice as well Bill. That's what my mom aways used to say...."hate" is such a strong word.
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#19
I posted on the STF FB page...it says " We support frog conservation" and Wendells frog blog liked it. heh

Let's see if they leave it up and not delete it.

Dr. K.K spams our hobby sites....let's make sure our Hobby sites show up on his pages accordingly.
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