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Pumilio like vertical movement . so you want a bit of latteral movement in the tank (not tons, but some) to keep them from fighting. "Stacking" is a no-no.
Rich
Darts with parasites are analogous to mixed tanks, there are no known benefits to the frogs with either.
If tone is more important to you than content, you are at the wrong place.
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What the heck is stacking?
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If you have a tree with three broms on it in nature, you will most likely find no more than one female pumilio inhabiting the tree. If you have three trees together, with three broms equal -distance , (same distance as on the lone three brom tree) there is a chance you may find three females. The distance is the same with the three tree group of broms, they are just not stacked on top of each other. :wink:
Rich
P.S. this is not written in stone, there are a few of the more gregarious pumilio that seem to get along OK. But when in doubt.....don't stack.
Darts with parasites are analogous to mixed tanks, there are no known benefits to the frogs with either.
If tone is more important to you than content, you are at the wrong place.
My new email address is: rich.frye@icloud.com and new phone number is 773 577 3476
Interesting...I have never heard that, but it makes sense.
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Well David,
It could be because they do not discuss it on Dendroboard :lol: :lol: :lol: .
But seriously, I do have a problem with a private club that edits, deletes, or changes , in ANY way what I write.
I do not write vulgarity and I do not lie, so yes I have a problem with Dendroboard, or any other (Kingsnake is the absolute worst, for different reasons) "board" that tries to stifle my freedom of speech.
But that is what happens in private clubs, not democracies.
Rich " Land of the Free" Frye
P.S. Isn't it funny how little need for "moderators" there is on this "forum". Kind of nice , huh?
Darts with parasites are analogous to mixed tanks, there are no known benefits to the frogs with either.
If tone is more important to you than content, you are at the wrong place.
My new email address is: rich.frye@icloud.com and new phone number is 773 577 3476
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And why the heck is my "Breeder's Union" post not getting this kind of view time??? 
Darts with parasites are analogous to mixed tanks, there are no known benefits to the frogs with either.
If tone is more important to you than content, you are at the wrong place.
My new email address is: rich.frye@icloud.com and new phone number is 773 577 3476
I have never once had any of my posts edited or deleted since I joined and I don't pretend to know what your circumstances are. It must have been pretty messy. Anyway, I too wouldn't be so keen on any limitations of freedom of speech. That being said there is a discussion on banning the sale of hybrids. Thankfully, everyone is against hybrids, but not for limiting anyone's right to post it for sale.
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Hybrids first.
I am not against him posting hybrids for sale because now I know ( I guess) who he (Brett from Two Kings Herp)is and know NEVER, EVER, to let him near ANY of my frogs PERIOD.
I do believe the sale of Dart hybrids to be one of the biggest SINS (if I had a stronger word I would use it) in the hobby. Right up there with breeding frogs with genetics problems. That guy NEEDS to be taken out of the hobby A.S.A.P. If I can help with that, I will. Believe it.
Which brings me to the reason for the Dendrobanning;
If you read our " Frye Brother's Frogs and the Problems with Quality Captives" post , under "Soapbox" topics, you will get a read of some of the stuff that got my brother and myself banned from Dendroboard. If anyone want s to post anything from that club, okie dokie with me. My brother and myself try to put out in the open , what the "girls" S+M at "Quantity Captives" could have ended in private by not going behind our backs spreading LIE, LIES, LIES.
They are , by the way, still bad mouthing us at all turns , I still receive emails about their unethical B.S. behavior ALL THE TIME!
Maybe time for a bit of action.
Rich
P.S. Isn't it STILL funny how little need for "instigators" , ooooops, I meant "moderators" there is on this "forum". Kind of nice , huh?
Darts with parasites are analogous to mixed tanks, there are no known benefits to the frogs with either.
If tone is more important to you than content, you are at the wrong place.
My new email address is: rich.frye@icloud.com and new phone number is 773 577 3476
I was the start of the banning question, only because one person mentioned it in the sale of hybrid post. I just wanted to hear some opinions and I was not trying to get anybody to ban the posting of hybrids. I did not PM any moderators about trying to get that done in any way. I almost regret asking because it seems everyones reasoning to not banning is aimed at me because they all probably think I am trying to get it done. NO!!!!! I am not.
Nice little convo you guys had going on, did I intrude? 
You have to admit, kahblua was a pretty creative name. It didn't take a genius (obviously), but it was still creative.
I dont mist my tank and my frogs do fine.
Mike
You don't mist ever? How are your plants doing? You must have almost no ventilation. This discussion was never really about the health of a frog and if you could keep that frog alive without misting, but rather about the necessity of such for breeding.
My plants do fine, I sometime clean them off or just pull off leaves that are real dirty. I have never breed frogs so I can say of the affect on that. I have to admit I did not read all the post, are you suggesting that misting is how you increase air flow in your tank?
Mike
No...I was stating that you must not have much ventilation in order to keep the humidity in the 'green' level without misting.
On my 29g hex tank I have about half the top open with a mesh top. I do use a heater under the gravel which keeps the water temp up as well as the humidity. In my 55g I probably have a little less ventilation but have not had any problems with frogs nor plant growth. I do mist the 55g maybe once every couple of weeks, mainly just to try to get stuff off leaves. I think the humidity is the more important part, if you have ever been in a rain forest you quickly notice there are many places on the forest floor that doesnt get direct water since there is so much ground cover. I dont think it is crucial, maybe someone who has a breeding pair that mist can stop and see if they stop breeding?
Mike
i mist all my cages every other day or so, its just helps clean the plants, and i've found that it does stimulate breeding for my Auratus atleast, also all of my frogs come out after a misting. Also all my cages are no vent, so the humidity is always in the green.
Rih
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This is a great thread.
Hand Misting - 100% must. It allows you to "spot mist" and forces the hobbyist to "engage" the viv.
Auto Misting system - Very important in large scale operations and multiple vivs....like 10-20 or more. Allows for vacations and time off....greatly assists in that manner.
Cool Mist "ultrasonic" Fogging - Least important but def a helpful addition. Some plants prefer it and thrive better with the cool ultrasonic mist rather than a fine water droplet spray. A "Wow" factor for guests to enjoy as well. Has it's place in the hobby but certainly comes after misting in terms of importance.
In-viv circular "bubbler" fogger that gets set in a pool of water inside the viv - Complete trash and dangerous.....kills animals and malfuntions always.
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It's been my experience that with my frogs (tincs, galacts, leucs, etc...no thumbs or pum), breeding seems to be triggered more by the weather outside my house than by the amount of misting they get. I have the misters go on pretty regularly in the frog room, but that's more for the moss than anything. I have a display tank in another room that I only hand mist when I remember to, and it's pretty dry. In either case, wet or dry, it seems like they all go nuts when a big storm is coming in. I suspect barometric pressures are a stronger trigger, provided the humidity isn't completely out of whack.
Anyone else have that experience?
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Yep...Totally agree about seasonal and barometic influences on breeding.
Depending upon your frog cycle - Spring or Fall. Both are used to good effect.
For my Frog Room, warm weather....lots more sunlight....spring rains.....all spurs on the reproductive drive.
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My Eldorados scamper away when I come out with the mister. However, I do run an ultrasonic humidifier whenever I'm introducing fresh air into the tank.
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