My first vivarium!

[Convertible]

I managed to make a far shot from one of the dudes, from the distance, so I don't had to bother them.

[Philsuma]

That first pic...what kind of tank is that ? I hope it's a temporary enclosure. There are some huge size differences in there, not to mention serious overcrowding.

[Convertible]

That first pic...what kind of tank is that ? I hope it's a temporary enclosure. There are some huge size differences in there, not to mention serious overcrowding.

That's one of the several breeder vivs of the dude, where I bought my bronzies.

[Philsuma]

Yikes hock:

[RanaVenenosa]

That first pic...what kind of tank is that ? I hope it's a temporary enclosure. There are some huge size differences in there, not to mention serious overcrowding.

That's one of the several breeder vivs of the dude, where I bought my bronzies.

Wow, you sure you that was a Breeder viv? even if you meant temp holding I counted 48 frogs (prob more I cant see) w no hiding, no leaf litter... ugggh, as much as my frogs crap all over the viv - i cant imagine what that ammonia and waste level must be like. Does he clean the viv everyday?? That reminds me of pet stores who cram 1000 goldfish into a 55 gallon aquarium. Cant think of any justification for that many frogs in one enclosure.

[Convertible]

Yeah, well he separates them quite soon, as I can see, he has like 1000 frogs in the basement. The mature and juvenile frogs are not that crowded,but he has a lot of breeds in different stadiums. And as far I can tell, they all look extremly healthy and well fed (just check the bicolors and powderblues below that pic).

[Stu&Shaz]

Yeah, well he separates them quite soon, as I can see, he has like 1000 frogs in the basement. The mature and juvenile frogs are not that crowded,but he has a lot of breeds in different stadiums. And as far I can tell, they all look extremly healthy and well fed (just check the bicolors and powderblues below that pic).

Hey buddy,I realise there is a language difficulty here,what i think our more knowledgeable friends are trying to say here is becareful,watch your new frogs carefully. To have so many young frogs in one place, things could so easily go wrong. There are not many places to hide for all those frog, no space for an ecosystem to develope.With many animals in one place the risk of disease is much greater than normal,this is why nearly every chicken that we eat is full of anitbiotics to combat putting large numbers in one place,do you understand what i am trying to say to you Marcel? You already know i want you to have the best start in this mate,i'm trying to get over to you that there might be risks here...MIGHT BE,so look real hard at your new frogs,watch them very carefully for the next few weeks. Everything will hopefully go good and well for you mate....THIS IS WHAT I WANT.....but really watch them buddy,if you see something different...something not what you expect,tell Phil and the guys,
Marcel your new frog from a distance looks beautiful,i wish you every success with them,i hope to see more of them soon when they have settled into their new home
best always mate
Stu

[Convertible]

Thanks Stu, of course I'll keep my eyes on them. I understand what you guys mean, no worries. This was the second visit at the breeder (he is an older man btw), but his frogs look absolutely healthy and well fed, I'm not too worried about my new additions. I'm checking them quite often, on daily basis, and it may be a bit early... but I fed them already the next day I got them. They were hunting active and happily.

As for my question a few sites back, regarding the springtails and their eggs: the breeder dude mentioned that springtails shed their skin (just like spiders and scorpions for example, which I didn't know), and those things floating on the water could be their skin.

[Convertible]

This one is the biggest of the fellas, and don't seem to be shy either.

[Venomos]

Awesome! Congrats on your new additions!


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[Convertible]

My ultrasonic fogger arrived today as well, just some pics of that, it improves the visuals by a lot.

[Philsuma]

Nice auratus !

Frogs coming in contact with those "in-tank" foggers can be injured. Most U.S models of those exposed "bubbler" foggers get quite hot (metal parts). It looks like you have an open cup that a frog could jump right in....

We recommend the Outside the tank foggers that use a hose to deliver the mist into various areas of the viv - much safer and easier to maintain and use. There are3-4 threads on them (external ultrasonics) here on this board to check on.

Here's one, with my setup...

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[Convertible]

Thanks Phil!

Yes, it's an open cup (temporary setup of course), I'll have to figure it out still, overall I'm not too happy with the concept, I mean the way I arranged the plants and such in the vivarium: plants, fogger, and water pump... :S

[Philsuma]

Hey...your first viv, remember. It's all a learning process. You appear to be well on your way to good frog care. No worries.

[Convertible]

Yep, practice. My next viv (planning already to get bicolors) will be better for sure.

One quick question while you're online: how do you control the feeding if you have multiple frogs in the viv? You know, it could happen, that the bigger ones eat almost all flies and the smaller frogs stay hungry.

[Philsuma]

That's one of the reason to try to have frogs of all the same size, especially when you are new hobbyist. Smaller frogs can get bullied, stressed and decline in health VERY quickly - much quicker than you think.

That's why I was shocked to see that large temporary tank photo you took of your friends breeder facility.

[Stu&Shaz]

This one is the biggest of the fellas, and don't seem to be shy either.

Wow what a beautiful frog Marcel,you must get some pics up of the others when they come out, we both hope this goes really well for you its a great start,and your frog does look superb.we know how much fun you will have,what are these called they look a bit like one of our auratus,i hope they go as well for you as they are so far for us.Auratus are great for us beginners i think,although they can be shy,not all are. how many do you have? We are stoked for you mate
congrats
Stu and Shaz

[Convertible]

Thanks for the answer Phil! Does it makes sense, to seprate the smaller ones (for example into a fauna box) and feed them separately until they grow stronger?

Hey Stu! Mate, they are indeed auratus, Dendrobates auratus bronze, to be more specific. The breeder guy had quite a list I could choose from:

Phyllobates vittatus
Dendrobates truncatus, Epipedobates tricolor
Dendrobates leucomelas, D. auratus bronz, D. tinctorius nominat, Phyllobates bicolor, Adelphobates galactonotus
Dendrobates tinctorius azureus / citronella / brazil / powderblue

Me and my girlfriend decided on the bronzies, because I believe I red somewhere earlier auratus' are quite easy to keep and are good starter frogs. Next guys I'm planning to get are bicolor.

I have 5 of them, and will try to get a picture from them together, but they are quite shy, as you mentioned yourself. One of them likes to hide on the brom's leaves, the bigger is almost visible the whole day, and the rest of them are on/under the plants. But as soon as I open the viv, they hide.

Hm... let's see if I can embed the video where I just put them into their new viv... don't mind the hungarian gibberish.



EDIT: Phil, as it seems the embedding didn't work, can you help me with that?

[Philsuma]

Frogs should really be housed at similar sizes....absolutely at the earlier life stages, but even later in life.

[Convertible]

I just keep spamming the pictures, hope you guys don't mind.

I got 2 of 'em on one picture! (y) And the vitamine I bought for them, I hope it's good.