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Darts with parasites are analogous to mixed tanks, there are no known benefits to the frogs with either.
If tone is more important to you than content, you are at the wrong place.
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love_chariot Wrote:Alright Todd, I took your advice and ordered 4 of the 12 watt LED's for my viv. Since I'm having to store it at a friend's til I move at the end of october I need to keep it as cool as possible. They are crazy people and keep their house around 80 meaning my tank with the CFL's is 80+. Just to repeat, nothing is in the tank except plants, so no frogs are stressing, just me. The plants seem to be doing fine being a little warmer, but I don't want to take any risks. That tank fan is awesome but I may just use a target bought cyclone fan for now til I get things moved and into a permanent set up. Thanks everyone for your advice. Will let you know how everything goes.
Excellent, I think you will be very pleased. 
Thank you,
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Venutus1 Wrote:RichFrye Wrote:Somethings to consider...
general-qUestioNs-and-commenTs-f12/has-anyone-tried-lowering-their-lighting-t4901.html?hilit=light
Or Reject.
LOL. :lol:
Smilys and LOLs aside,
Todd, if you care to go over any long term anecdotal or real scientific information on why darts would ever need lights, please do. Dismissing something because you choose to sell reptile lights is not a good reason though...
In this thread
general-questions-and-comments-f12/has-anyone-tried-lowering-their-lighting-t4901.html
you admit to only working with one species, total, and that species is wall walking. If you'd care to go in depth , please do. Please tell why you'd "reject" our thoughts from experienced froggers. And I'll continue to report the benefits of very LOW light. I've yet to read anything you've posted to change my mind as to why darts would need light.
And to change my mind simply means I'd need to use more lighting. To truly change your's means you sell much, much less dart lighting...
Darts with parasites are analogous to mixed tanks, there are no known benefits to the frogs with either.
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I always thought the lights are for our plants, not frogs. I know some Herps need light. I've been told and did a little research saying our frogs do not need light to live. Just like my reef tanks. My fish dont need light to live but my corals (plants... actully corals are animals...anyway) need very bright lights. Pretty much the same goes with our vivs. If I want pretty plants, I'm going to have a good light fixture on the tank. If I dont care what the plant looks like and want my froogs to be more confortable and possably be happier, I'll go with no light or very little light. I know my 55g viv is going to be a "show" peice... I hope. So im going to run T5HO bulbs on it. Dont really care if the frogs breed or not. I dont know.... I'm still a noob in this hobby but this is the info I have recived from researching.
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RichFrye Wrote:Venutus1 Wrote:RichFrye Wrote:Somethings to consider...
general-qUestioNs-and-commenTs-f12/has-anyone-tried-lowering-their-lighting-t4901.html?hilit=light
Or Reject.
LOL. :lol:
Smilys and LOLs aside,
Todd, if you care to go over any long term anecdotal or real scientific information on why darts would ever need lights, please do. Dismissing something because you choose to sell reptile lights is not a good reason though...
In this thread
general-questions-and-comments-f12/has-anyone-tried-lowering-their-lighting-t4901.html
you admit to only working with one species, total, and that species is wall walking. If you'd care to go in depth , please do. Please tell why you'd "reject" our thoughts from experienced froggers. And I'll continue to report the benefits of very LOW light. I've yet to read anything you've posted to change my mind as to why darts would need light.
And to change my mind simply means I'd need to use more lighting. To truly change your's means you sell much, much less dart lighting...
Don't worry Rich, I got your number.
You are a first class instigator because you crave the attention.
And that IS a BIG "LOL" in my book. :lol:
Yep.. I sell lights for people to use over their vivs, reptiles and fish tanks.
That doesn't mean they have to be bright or too bright for what they are keeping.
There is no "more is better".
Just a happy medium of light that will show the frogs well and grow the plants well....
That is all I promote.
That and I try to have the best prices and give the highest quality of Customer Service to ALL LightYourReptiles.com customers.
Along with a no hassle 100% money back guarantee if a customer is not happy for any reason.
(Tell me Rich, do you offer that with your services?)
You know....I have seen a pattern with you on this and other forums, and it is quite fascinating.
For sure you are just waiting with baited breath for me to throw up a post in response to your post above...
because that is what guys like you live for.
So I have responded.
But now that's it.
I am not going to keep on going back and forth posting & debating anything further with you.
I shall allow you have the last word(post), since you are such an expert. LOL :roll:
Cheers!
Todd
Wall walking... ha ... thats rich (excuse the pun).
They were all out and about in an excited breeding frenzy because we had 4 days straight of poring rain.
Frog keepers know that gets them all randy and in the mood.
Plus, coming from my well lit tanks.... I have variabilis tads up to my eyeballs.
I have pulled 20+/- in the past 7 weeks from one tank.
I will not be turning off my lights except at froggy bedtime every night.
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Way to take it personal to a scientific thread Todd.
And, yes I offer a 100% live arrival and full satisfaction guarantee. And I've been doing it longer than you have in this hobby.
Good luck with your darts,
Rich
Darts with parasites are analogous to mixed tanks, there are no known benefits to the frogs with either.
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Please don't fight. The article is interesting and definitely something to think about. I won't be running all 4 at once and I have to run a minimal day time anyway. (2 am to 10 am). The lights aren't because I care overly about having a bright display, or because I want my broms to be show quality. The lights are about the fact that unlike many people on this forum I live in a place that is hot as hell. Currently we are moving into October and still the state is putting up 104 degrees as the high. CFL's even with a fan still raise the temp of the Viv about 3-4 degrees. For the winter that is fine, but if my house is set to 78 in the summer, something that is quite expensive, that means my viv is around 82, something not pleasant. If LED's can help drop the temp to even only a 1-2 increase then they are worth the money. This thread was about how to combat high heat and after doing the research using led's looked like the best opportunity. If someone has a better suggestion for dealing with heat then let me hear it I'm all ears.
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I agree, this thread is more about heat - heat from lights.
You are going about this in a VERY responsible manner - doing a lot of research. Bottom line, if you can't get decent air conditioning or the equivalent (do they have basements in AZ ?) then maybe waiting a bit to keep frogs is in order.
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love_chariot Wrote:Please don't fight. The article is interesting and definitely something to think about. I won't be running all 4 at once and I have to run a minimal day time anyway. (2 am to 10 am). The lights aren't because I care overly about having a bright display, or because I want my broms to be show quality. The lights are about the fact that unlike many people on this forum I live in a place that is hot as hell. Currently we are moving into October and still the state is putting up 104 degrees as the high. CFL's even with a fan still raise the temp of the Viv about 3-4 degrees. For the winter that is fine, but if my house is set to 78 in the summer, something that is quite expensive, that means my viv is around 82, something not pleasant. If LED's can help drop the temp to even only a 1-2 increase then they are worth the money. This thread was about how to combat high heat and after doing the research using led's looked like the best opportunity. If someone has a better suggestion for dealing with heat then let me hear it I'm all ears.
Well... ok ... no fighting.
I found in my smallest viv, 12 x 12 x 18, when I replaced one 26 w CFL with one 12w Screw in LED...
The temp went down from, on average during the day, from 80-82 to 76-77. Big impovement.
And the "amount" of light appears approx. the same.
It was actually nicer looking to my eyes because the Epistar Brand of Diodes in the LED light have a nice white, crisp look.
That photo was taken 3-4 months ago, and the plants are still doing very well to this day.
Thanks.
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love_chariot Wrote:If someone has a better suggestion for dealing with heat then let me hear it I'm all ears.
Have you had the chance to read through the thread I cited?
Darts with parasites are analogous to mixed tanks, there are no known benefits to the frogs with either.
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Yes. I read the entire thread and I understand your ideas about low to no lighting. I'm not using all of the leds I bought in one viv. I currently am using two cfls. One in each hood. With the leds depending on brightness I may only use one and center it over the viv.! I will experiment with levels of lighting to promote frog behavior and let you know about my leucs react when I get them. I appreciated your input but think that if you and Todd want to debate this then you need to both carry out the experiment. Pick a breed, each of you set up a viv using your lighting technique and the same substrate and plants and document the results like amount of time The frog is out and reproduction numbers. That way when people ask you can show definitive results. I think the entire dart frog community would appreciate something like that
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Got my leds today. Measured temps before installing. With cfls and fan the viv was 3 degrees above room temp and top was 4 degrees warmer. After running the leds it was at room temp on bottom and 1 degree warmer on top. If in november after frogs are allowed in and settle I might add a diffuser if they still hide alot. These are purchased at lighting stores and I users them frequently for tv shoots. I can add darker material in places as well to create a canopy like effect. Thanks again Todd for the help
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love_chariot Wrote:Got my leds today. Measured temps before installing. With cfls and fan the viv was 3 degrees above room temp and top was 4 degrees warmer. After running the leds it was at room temp on bottom and 1 degree warmer on top. If in november after frogs are allowed in and settle I might add a diffuser if they still hide alot. These are purchased at lighting stores and I users them frequently for tv shoots. I can add darker material in places as well to create a canopy like effect. Thanks again Todd for the help
Sent from my DROID X2 using Tapatalk Glad you like!
And they certainly do run cooler!
You can cut piece of that dark gray fiberlass screening and put on the top on the glass under the lights if you think they are bright... I have found the plants will grow up and create a nice "canopy" too.
Send me a pic.
Thank you again.
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Update. So I've been using the LEDs for over a month now in my viv and things have been going well. They provide a great amount of light with almost no heat. I've been completely happy with the products I bought. My plants have been growing in well and naturally created some nice dark spots in the tank for froggies to hide. Picking up frogs this weekend at the Phoenix Expo but torn about what exactly to get. The 4 types I would ultimately like to own are leucs, oyapoks, super blue auratus and yellow galacs. Cannot wait to wander around like a kid at disneyland for the first time. Still thinking leucs but have been reading alot of great stuff about galacs.
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I purchased 3 oyapoks at the phoenix reptile expo. They are settling into their qt. Will post pics soon.
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love_chariot Wrote:Update. So I've been using the LEDs for over a month now in my viv and things have been going well. They provide a great amount of light with almost no heat. I've been completely happy with the products I bought. My plants have been growing in well and naturally created some nice dark spots in the tank for froggies to hide. Picking up frogs this weekend at the Phoenix Expo but torn about what exactly to get. The 4 types I would ultimately like to own are leucs, oyapoks, super blue auratus and yellow galacs. Cannot wait to wander around like a kid at disneyland for the first time. Still thinking leucs but have been reading alot of great stuff about galacs.
Glad you liked the LED's - guess I am not the only one... I did cheat and buy a T12 strip light for my new stack - Sorry Todd - seriously, where I cant use the strip light, the exo hood w LEDs are the way to go (for any shoppers reading)
- Galacs are great frogs, I just picked up some solid orange - amazing frogs - most pics I have seen online do not do them justice. Yellow galacs are also striking. Congrats on the Tincs... Also nice frog.
Take care
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Ha... shucks Scott
no I don't feel cheap and used that you cheated with a T12 strip light. :o
Something to consider... using a Repti Sun 5.0 or Arcadia D3 in the strip.
I have read some interesting stuff lately and had some discussions about the tetrachromatic vision in herps.
Humans have Trichromatic vision ...sensitive to what we call visible light. We all know that.
Now more findings are coming out about other life on earths Tetrachromatic vision capabilities.
That is, to also see into the UV bands of sunlight.
" Unlike humans, who have ‘trichromatic’ vision, enabling us to see only three primary colours - red, green and blue, we now know that many reptiles, amphibians and other species, have ‘tetrachromatic’ vision. This enables them to see the shorter UVA wavelengths (320-400 nm) of the spectrum that form a part of natural sunlight. Reds are redder and greens are greener – life without UV would be the equivalent of us seeing everything in black and white, only worse. This UVA, or fourth primary, can be critical for behaviour and even affect appetite. A reluctant feeder may need UVA light to stimulate its appetite. UVA is also needed to induce reproductive behaviour. Lizards have been found to possess ultra violet reflectance patterns on their skin, which indicate reproductive glands in particular. Female panther chameleons seek out UV light when preparing to lay eggs. Depriving a reptile of UVA light would be like making it live in a darkened room."
You should post some pics!
Also, one can mix LED light with UV a/b generating fluorescent lighting to actually get a much more "fleshed out" spectrum of light. Combining the best of both worlds.
Cheers!
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Hey Todd, you changed up your website... snnnazzzy
Ok, good stuff, hmmm I have lexan lids on my vivs - how does this factor into the UVA waves? I remember reading some posts by UK breeders w Histronicus using special glass, but I don't have the resources to go to that much trouble. Do you have any of the equip to do spectral analysis on what passes thru the various glass and plex products i.e. Lexan?
-thx
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Yes. but heaven help me find it.
While I hunt... do a google search... it may be at Frances website http://www.uvguide.co.uk/index.htm
I actually have to go pack orders befor bed... so I may not get to dig untill tomorrow.
I do think that Lexan WILL filters out most UV B ... BUT not much of the UV A, so you still will be getting probably 90% of the visual benifit to them for that. No so much for the vit. D synthesis.
Cheers!
PS, I also have UV A LEDs out having spectral analysis done on them as we speak.
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