BluePumilio wrote:Personally, health certs are almost pointless with herps unless you are testing for chytrid/Rana/etc. Though, if they are breeding, that generally shows they are healthy.
This is a HUGE misconception. Knowing the state of health of your frogs is something everyone should strive to accomplish.
Darts and many, many animals breed when they are stressed. So;
When a huge low comes through, they breed because they think it's the end of the world, or at least a period of bad weather is coming and they may never get a chance to breed again.
When we stress them by moving them into a new environment, be it new viv or half way around the world.
The key thing people who just want offspring and want them right away need to understand is that a little short term stress will produce breeding activity, short term.
Now short term to someone who plans to turn the frogs over is great (not at all saying Juan is doing this). A little stress, a few pics of eggs , tads and maybe even a few froglets and now we have a pumilio breeder.
What people who have had the same groups of 'successful' frogs year after year understand is that short term breeding is just that. And long term health , healthy life longevity and then production and then actually keeping the froglets alive to adult breeding age should be closer to the goal.
Some people will never be happy with Ray Jr., the way Panama is currently exporting, and the issues constantly and validly raised, all the while simply hoping at some time the bar will be raised as well.