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2ndAnnual Reptile and Amphibian Law Symposium & Workshop

Postby Philsuma » Tue Sep 24, 2013 1:25 pm

I'm going


Second Annual Reptile and Amphibian Law Symposium & Workshop Washington D.C.

http://www.nraac.org/symposium2013.html

Nov. 8-10, 2013 - George Washington University
Presented in partnership by NRAAC, PIJAC, ARAV, AZA, USARK and George Washington
University Law School

2013 Event Schedule
Day 1 - Friday, November 8, 2013

8am - Invasive/Injurious Species
10am - What Is The Lacey Act and its Role
12pm - Lunch Break
1pm - International Laws/CITES - Import/Export
3pm - TBA
5pm - Dinner Break

Day 2 - Saturday, November 9, 2013

8am - Endangered Species Act
10am - Endangered Species & Conservation
12pm - Lunch Break
1pm - State Laws - Native Species
3pm - State Laws - Non-Native Species
5pm - Dinner Break

Day 3 - Sunday, November 10, 2013

8am - Salmonella and it's impact on the Law
10am - Chytrid and it's impact on the Law
11am - Other parasites, diseases, vectors and their role
12pm - Lunch Break
1pm - Private Reptile Ownership, Ethics, and the Law
3pm - The Role of Rescue and the Shelter System
4:30pm - Summary, Conclusions, Planning for 2014
5pm - Dinner Break

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Re: 2ndAnnual Reptile and Amphibian Law Symposium & Workshop

Postby Armson » Tue Sep 24, 2013 2:14 pm

I have never heard of this...

I might have to attend.

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Postby Rusty_Shackleford » Tue Sep 24, 2013 3:13 pm

I wish I could attend. There are several talks I'm very interested in hearing.
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Postby Philsuma » Tue Sep 24, 2013 3:20 pm

Symposium is FREE

2-3 close-by hotels are only $110.00 per night !

Georgetown nightlife !!!

http://www.dcclubbing.com/dc-bars/georgetown/

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Postby Rusty_Shackleford » Tue Sep 24, 2013 3:46 pm

Oh look our buddy Ken Foose will be there!!!!!
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Postby Philsuma » Tue Sep 24, 2013 3:53 pm

I SAW that ! I have at least 20 mins scheduled/penciled in, to meet and talk with him about 'stuff'.

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Postby Rusty_Shackleford » Tue Sep 24, 2013 3:57 pm

Susi has family in VA. Maybe we can combine the trip, or stay with them.

Maybe Kerry Krieger will show up too? :twisted:
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Postby Armson » Tue Sep 24, 2013 4:53 pm

Hotels in Georgetown for 110? Wow that is a steal!

There are several talks I be interested. and of course a nice romantic candle light dinner with phil. Jon can come too.

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Postby Philsuma » Tue Sep 24, 2013 5:48 pm

Got a double guest room for $250.00 / Fri and Sat, at the George Washington University Inn - closest hotel to the venue, 4 blocks away.

Anyone wanting to split it, LMK.

2 beds no spooning.

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Re: 2ndAnnual Reptile and Amphibian Law Symposium & Workshop

Postby RichFrye » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:27 pm

Rusty_Shackleford wrote:Oh look our buddy Ken Foose will be there!!!!!

It just goes to show how accolades such as "international president" mean jack in our hobby.
Darts with parasites are analogous to mixed tanks, there are no known benefits to the frogs with either.


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Postby Philsuma » Tue Sep 24, 2013 8:39 pm

yeah...this 'symposium' has a kind of a political /lobbyist feel to it. And in DC, I guess. Lobby for imports and lobby for designer morphs ? I think there's a lot of chicken little sky is falling after the 5 big snakes got banned from FL. Frogs aren't going anywhere.

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Re: 2ndAnnual Reptile and Amphibian Law Symposium & Workshop

Postby BluePumilio » Tue Sep 24, 2013 11:49 pm

RichFrye wrote:
Rusty_Shackleford wrote:Oh look our buddy Ken Foose will be there!!!!!

It just goes to show how accolades such as "international president" mean jack in our hobby.


Ken is an OUTSTANDING member of the herp community. Unless you actually know the guy, don't knock him. He has done more for the hobby then many even think about doing. He may not know his frogs that well, but he means well. I've known him for years and I have never come across a person like him.

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Re: 2ndAnnual Reptile and Amphibian Law Symposium & Workshop

Postby BluePumilio » Tue Sep 24, 2013 11:49 pm

I'm debating going...

Philsuma wrote:Got a double guest room for $250.00 / Fri and Sat, at the George Washington University Inn - closest hotel to the venue, 4 blocks away.

Anyone wanting to split it, LMK.

2 beds no spooning.

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Re: 2ndAnnual Reptile and Amphibian Law Symposium & Workshop

Postby RichFrye » Wed Sep 25, 2013 3:48 am

BluePumilio wrote:
RichFrye wrote:
Rusty_Shackleford wrote:Oh look our buddy Ken Foose will be there!!!!!

It just goes to show how accolades such as "international president" mean jack in our hobby.


Ken is an OUTSTANDING member of the herp community. Unless you actually know the guy, don't knock him. He has done more for the hobby then many even think about doing. He may not know his frogs that well, but he means well. I've known him for years and I have never come across a person like him.

If he is that OUTSTANDING, he certainly needs to start trying to learn more a out OUR hobby and HIS frogs He continually sells.
I don't give two craps about the rest of the herp hobby. Much of the rest of the herp hobby is destroying MY hobby.
Darts with parasites are analogous to mixed tanks, there are no known benefits to the frogs with either.


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Re: 2ndAnnual Reptile and Amphibian Law Symposium & Workshop

Postby Rusty_Shackleford » Wed Sep 25, 2013 9:48 am

BluePumilio wrote:
RichFrye wrote:
Rusty_Shackleford wrote:Oh look our buddy Ken Foose will be there!!!!!

It just goes to show how accolades such as "international president" mean jack in our hobby.


Ken is an OUTSTANDING member of the herp community. Unless you actually know the guy, don't knock him. He has done more for the hobby then many even think about doing. He may not know his frogs that well, but he means well. I've known him for years and I have never come across a person like him.


Oh yes marketing and selling hybrids does wonders for the hobby. It proves he doesn't know frogs well and it certainly proves he doesn't mean well. What he means to do is put money in his pocket at the expense of the hobby.
Let's face facts. He's a flipper. He buys animals from the importers, get them shipped to Vegas, and sells them on Kingsnake. I'm sure over the years he's had a number of rare species move through his hands, but is he doing it because he loves these herps, or because he's making money? If you're doing it for the love of the animals you wouldn't be pushing hybrids.
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Re: 2ndAnnual Reptile and Amphibian Law Symposium & Workshop

Postby BluePumilio » Wed Sep 25, 2013 10:05 am

You gotta love that when someone who has known the guy for years says something about him, someone that has some insight, that it is thrown to the side in favor of view points supplied by very limited observations on one subject.

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Re: 2ndAnnual Reptile and Amphibian Law Symposium & Workshop

Postby Philsuma » Wed Sep 25, 2013 10:12 am

I don't know Ken either Justin. Not by name, reputation or word of mouth. Then again, I'm more of an East Coast guy.

You must admit, the main thing that has people riled up is the promotion and sale of the hybrid dart frogs, and not once, but at least 2 separate occasions.

Anyway...lets end the 'Ken discussion' here please, and welcome back talk on this Symposium which looks really cool.

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Re: 2ndAnnual Reptile and Amphibian Law Symposium & Workshop

Postby Rusty_Shackleford » Wed Sep 25, 2013 10:13 am

BluePumilio wrote:You gotta love that when someone who has known the guy for years says something about him, someone that has some insight, that it is thrown to the side in favor of view points supplied by very limited observations on one subject.


Then defend his selling of hybrids, go ahead and justify it.
I'm not saying he's a puppy murderer. I'm selling he knowingly sells hybrids, for profit. That doesn't have anybody's best interests in mind but his own.

Ok Phil, done.
But on the subject of the symposium, since he is on the panel.
Doesn't it benefit his business to support some of the tougher restrictions on say chytrid certification to push out little hobbyists and make establishments like his the only places to buy dart frogs, even if their hybrids?
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Re: 2ndAnnual Reptile and Amphibian Law Symposium & Workshop

Postby BluePumilio » Wed Sep 25, 2013 10:29 am

He actually replied on there that he didn't know selling hybrids was an issue, that he received these in trade (?) and that he would not sell any more in the future after he sold those.

He's actually against the Chytrid testing requirement , FYI. And things like that are actually why he is an asset to our hobby. He's done a lot of work in NV preventing exotics (including darts) from becoming prohibited. He's also doing a far amount preventing the categorical exclusion provision USFWS is trying to put into place, from happening. More then anyone on here (including myself) has!

This is what I mean, people are trying to vilify the man, heck....you're even attaching him and his biz to statements like that.

PERSONALLY, I'm for Chytrid testing requirements! At least in theory. Maybe restrict it to imports and maybe after importation. Then again, that might almost be pointless now that easy to apply and effective Chytrid treatments are about to hit the market.

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Re: 2ndAnnual Reptile and Amphibian Law Symposium & Workshop

Postby Jeremy Huff » Thu Sep 26, 2013 9:52 pm

Phil
I am in if you still want to split.


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