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albino Ranitomaya imitator "Tarapoto"- Pics

Postby Adven2er » Tue Sep 13, 2011 2:05 pm

My Tarapoto pair are producing some unusual offspring.

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I have 3 of these guys in various stages of development.

I remember Cindy Dickens post about similar looking froglets. I wonder if she still has them?
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Re: Oddball Tarapoto - Pics

Postby Philsuma » Tue Sep 13, 2011 2:15 pm

Whoa, you're not kidding. That morph seems to produce more odd frogs....wonder why ?

Could that morph be one of the more "inbred" lines in the U.S hobby ? I honestly don't know...

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Re: Oddball Tarapoto - Pics

Postby Adven2er » Tue Sep 13, 2011 2:33 pm

Phil,
I believe Cindy's Tarapotos are Tor Linbo line. Mine are Understory line. If you consider Understory imports to be F1,my female would be F2 and my male would be F3 from other unrelated F2 parents. There have not been any sibling pairings involved. I guess it is possible that the imports could be related though.
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Re: Oddball Tarapoto - Pics

Postby Bill Schwinn » Tue Sep 13, 2011 2:46 pm

They look to be Albino, or proper term would be Amelanistic.

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Re: Oddball Tarapoto - Pics

Postby Stu&Shaz » Tue Sep 13, 2011 3:26 pm

Bill Schwinn wrote:They look to be Albino, or proper term would be Amelanistic.

Bill would you please enlighten me as to what is the difference? melanism i understand to be more of a darker pigment,amelanism? (sp),sounds without black,but what is the difference? i have never seen this term before
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Re: Oddball Tarapoto - Pics

Postby Bill Schwinn » Tue Sep 13, 2011 5:34 pm

Hey Stu, I am no scientist, so in laymans terms as I understand it is Melanistic would be black , and Amelanistic is the lack of Melanin, or black, then I know from my snake breeding you have Anerythristic which is lack of red, so you get black and white. Then if you cross Anerythristic with Amelanistic you get Double Heterozygous offspring which are visually normal however, they carry both sets of genes(Anery and Amel) when you cross the Double hets with each other the clutch should be 1/4 Amel, 1/4 Anery, 1/4 het, 1/4 Snow which I think would actually be your true Albino, White and pink where patterning should be. Are you confused more? My head hurts nowLOL!

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Re: Oddball Tarapoto - Pics

Postby Stu&Shaz » Tue Sep 13, 2011 6:07 pm

Bill Schwinn wrote:Hey Stu, I am no scientist, so in laymans terms as I understand it is Melanistic would be black , and Amelanistic is the lack of Melanin, or black, then I know from my snake breeding you have Anerythristic which is lack of red, so you get black and white. Then if you cross Anerythristic with Amelanistic you get Double Heterozygous offspring which are visually normal however, they carry both sets of genes(Anery and Amel) when you cross the Double hets with each other the clutch should be 1/4 Amel, 1/4 Anery, 1/4 het, 1/4 Snow which I think would actually be your true Albino, White and pink where patterning should be. Are you confused more? My head hurts nowLOL!

YUP :lol:
but its the thought that counts and you made me smile too !! but i have a basic grasp on genetics,understand punnets dom/recessive but not the snake guys terms quite yet, but over the next few days i'll have a look in a couple of mags,or this will end up in a high jack..
But i am really greatful for your reply,and for making me laugh
thanks mate
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Re: Oddball Tarapoto - Pics

Postby Cindy Dicken » Tue Sep 13, 2011 7:51 pm

Adven2er wrote:My Tarapoto pair are producing some unusual offspring.

I remember Cindy Dickens post about similar looking froglets. I wonder if she still has them?


Yes, I still have my group. It has been a couple of years since they have laid. The oddball froglets were very short lived however, 6 months max.

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Re: Oddball Tarapoto - Pics

Postby Adven2er » Tue Sep 13, 2011 9:26 pm

Cindy Dicken wrote:
Adven2er wrote:My Tarapoto pair are producing some unusual offspring.

I remember Cindy Dickens post about similar looking froglets. I wonder if she still has them?


Yes, I still have my group. It has been a couple of years since they have laid. The oddball froglets were very short lived however, 6 months max.


Thank you Cindy for the reply. Sad to hear your oddballs didn't thrive. Did they have trouble finding prey items? I've Read that Albinos may have vision problems.
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Re: Oddball Tarapoto - Pics

Postby Adven2er » Fri Sep 23, 2011 9:37 pm

New Picture. Just came out of the water.
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Re: Oddball Tarapoto - Pics

Postby phelsumaman » Sun Sep 25, 2011 11:29 am

I believe that amelanistice is the absence of black pigment on the skin, a true albino would have no black pigment at all. It may just be my eyes or the way the photo is taken but that does look like a true albino, the eyes do seem to have that charcteristic pink/red glow

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Re: Oddball Tarapoto - Pics

Postby schreff » Tue Oct 11, 2011 5:45 pm

Hey how are the little fellas doing? Any updated pics?

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Re: Oddball Tarapoto - Pics

Postby schreff » Tue Oct 11, 2011 7:02 pm

Yea but this one is newer lol.

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Re: Oddball Tarapoto - Pics

Postby Adven2er » Tue Oct 11, 2011 9:32 pm

schreff wrote:Hey how are the little fellas doing? Any updated pics?


Jeremy, It's about 3 weeks OTW now and seems to be doing great. I have it in a grow out container with it's (normal)clutchmate and plenty of springs. The second one just popped it's front legs and a third is coming along well. I let the parents transport their last clutch and they are raising the tads so no more eggs for a while. The ratio of albino:normal tads is about 1:6 The pair I sold to you have not produce any albinos BTW. I'll try to get some updated pics soon.
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Re: Oddball Tarapoto - Pics

Postby schreff » Wed Oct 12, 2011 11:28 am

Very cool. I'm kinda hoping mine do though. I would like to have an albino.

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Re: Oddball Tarapoto - Pics

Postby Adven2er » Sat Nov 12, 2011 11:42 pm

This little one just came out of the brom. The parents just laid their first clutch, since transporting this one. The other two are doing well and growing at a normal rate. I still have another albino tad that I am raising.
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This is the second one. It's about 1 month OTW.
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Re: Oddball Tarapoto - Pics

Postby schreff » Sun Nov 13, 2011 10:34 am

Nice!!

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Re: Oddball Tarapoto - Pics

Postby Adven2er » Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:21 pm

The first 2 are now 10 and 6 weeks old. They're growing at the same rate as their clutch mates. The only difference I noticed is they seem to be less skittish than their siblings.
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Re: Oddball Tarapoto - Pics

Postby Philsuma » Sun Nov 27, 2011 10:52 pm

Wow....interesting. Thanks for posting here Rick !


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