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Tad's Front Arms won't pop...

Postby SpyderFemme » Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:13 am

I KNOW I saw a thread somewhere here that discussed this and now that I want to read it
I can't FIND it... Can someone please point me in the right direction?

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Re: Tad's Front Arms won't pop...

Postby Philsuma » Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:19 am

I think it the tadpole had it's arm totally encased in a gas bubble. I've had 2 Leucs exactly like that. They both morphed out fine. Let it go it's natural course and it should be fine.

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Re: Tad's Front Arms won't pop...

Postby SpyderFemme » Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:26 am

Ok..I'm just getting impatient. His clutch mate (?) Has been out for over a month...This guy is just taking sooooooo long. Still got a tail though. And an egg from a clutch (are they clutches with frogs?) that was laid like weeks after him is about to absorb his tail tomorrow...with all legs in good shape. I wait. ugh. Thanks for the quick reply. I was about to break out the exacto knife!
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Re: Tad's Front Arms won't pop...

Postby RichFrye » Fri Jan 04, 2013 3:08 pm

You'll find that all tads are not evolved equal. There's absolutely nothing you personally can do to change tad morph rates or success, as long as your husbandry is quality.
This guy may do just fine, but you will inevitably find some not so fine and others just won't make it.
Here's a quick fact to put things in perspective. It takes exactly one male offspring and exactly one female offspring to take the place of a pair of parent frogs which live decades for a population to remain static in the wild. Not all tads were meant to survive.
Darts with parasites are analogous to mixed tanks, there are no known benefits to the frogs with either.


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Re: Tad's Front Arms won't pop...

Postby SpyderFemme » Wed Jan 16, 2013 6:18 pm

So they are still in there. As you can see they look developed!
This is not the container it's kept in. I just yanked it out for the pic.
My temps are 76-78. He's been like this for months.

Surgery?
Different Temps?
Cut his tail off?

If they do pop out are it's arms going to be all deformed?!

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Re: Tad's Front Arms won't pop...

Postby RichFrye » Wed Jan 16, 2013 8:04 pm

SpyderFemme wrote:So they are still in there. As you can see they look developed!
This is not the container it's kept in. I just yanked it out for the pic.
My temps are 76-78. He's been like this for months.

Surgery?
Different Temps?
Cut his tail off?

If they do pop out are it's arms going to be all deformed?!

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Unfortunately I'm not liking the way that one looks. What species/locale is it again?
The kinked tail and the body both look off and the length of time without morphing combined with how the legs look right now does not bode well for it.
The only thing I would suggest is moving it to a little cooler water, but I don't really feel it will help.
Darts with parasites are analogous to mixed tanks, there are no known benefits to the frogs with either.


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Re: Tad's Front Arms won't pop...

Postby SpyderFemme » Wed Jan 16, 2013 9:04 pm

Darn! It's an azureus. Funny thing is the tail thing is new...just this week.
It's a really bad photo. I over exposed it so you could see through the skin of the arms.
It's color is blue and he eats and is pretty feisty. I guess I just wait huh?
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Re: Tad's Front Arms won't pop...

Postby RichFrye » Wed Jan 16, 2013 9:10 pm

SpyderFemme wrote:Darn! It's an azureus. Funny thing is the tail thing is new...just this week.
It's a really bad photo. I over exposed it so you could see through the skin of the arms.
It's color is blue and he eats and is pretty feisty. I guess I just wait huh?

Sometimes toward the end of an unsuccessful morph multiple issues will pop up.
I really think waiting is the only thing to do right now.
And again, understand that not all tads make it.
Darts with parasites are analogous to mixed tanks, there are no known benefits to the frogs with either.


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Re: Tad's Front Arms won't pop...

Postby SpyderFemme » Wed Jan 16, 2013 9:20 pm

I have more dead fauna in my freezer than I care to talk about... I get it ;)
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Re: Tad's Front Arms won't pop...

Postby Philsuma » Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:05 pm

Give it time....you are being impatient.

I bet it pops em' soon....

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Postby SpyderFemme » Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:36 pm

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Re: Tad's Front Arms won't pop...

Postby RichFrye » Thu Jan 17, 2013 2:29 pm

SpyderFemme wrote:I have more dead fauna in my freezer than I care to talk about... I get it ;)


I've got a bit of fauna in my freezer too, but the most exotic right now you'll find is elk or buffalo.
I put out the 'frogs die' statements because people would be very surprised how often my brother and myself are asked if there are drugs that can help their frog that morphed out, small, one footed, one eyeballed , or just 'not right'.
Darts with parasites are analogous to mixed tanks, there are no known benefits to the frogs with either.


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Tad's Front Arms won't pop...

Postby SpyderFemme » Thu Jan 17, 2013 2:55 pm

Whoa one eyeballed?! ;/ lol
Two years ago I was soaking ( don't even remember which species) a frog in some crushed vitamin tablets (don't remember what they were either) hoping it would fix it. It didn't. Freezer time. Or maybe in my pile o' dehydrated frogs... Not sure. Buffalo jerky sounds good :D
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Re: Tad's Front Arms won't pop...

Postby Philsuma » Thu Jan 17, 2013 3:36 pm

all oddities and 'special needs" tads and frogs would obviously be culled in the wild. For our hobby and enjoyment purposes, we can choose an alternative. When we DO indeed keep them and allow them to morph out, it's my belief that we should keep them and not trade, sell or transfer them without full disclosure, as the genes are potentially weak. Better yet, is to just keep it to ones self as a 'pet'. It is interesting to try to see if 'they make' it.....I've done it, but we need to make sure saving the 'special ones' doesn't become common practice.

A couple froggers use the 'climb out' raising method, that is, if the froglet is too weak to climb out of a straight up cup, then it drowns, as nature would have intended it. I see no problem with that.

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Postby SpyderFemme » Fri Mar 08, 2013 11:25 pm

^ Yes agree. I'm in it for the pet thing anyway. Not selling/trading.

Those front legs still haven't popped out! wth?
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Re: Tad's Front Arms won't pop...

Postby Philsuma » Sat Mar 09, 2013 1:22 am

post another pic of 'frankentad"

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Re: Tad's Front Arms won't pop...

Postby Philsuma » Sat Mar 09, 2013 10:46 am

You could also try to change things up. Put the tad in a sloped tank with access to rocks and gravel. Use 'different" water - grocery store water. Add some Indian almonds leaves to the water - releases tannins. Increase the water temps - but only a few degrees.

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Re: Tad's Front Arms won't pop...

Postby Philsuma » Sat Jun 01, 2013 8:53 am

did he pop ?

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Re: Tad's Front Arms won't pop...

Postby DrNick » Mon Jun 03, 2013 3:39 pm

A similar one of mine - a Varadero fantastica. I had a pair that repeatedly produced these and the arms would never come through. Swapped the female and no issues since. I euthanised quite a few before giving up and separating the frogs when it all go too depressing:

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Re: Tad's Front Arms won't pop...

Postby Philsuma » Mon Jun 03, 2013 4:45 pm

Nick,

Did you ever let some go to 'full term' ?


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