aaronsfrogfarm wrote:Why are dogs and cats and cheetahs still around? If inbreeding and outbreeding lead to extinction then most of the animals out there wouldn't be there. How do you KNOW they will become extinct in captivity if we don't "manage" them right? How do you KNOW managing them right isn't just breeding them w/ close locales and trying not to breed brother to sister? These populations have expanded and contracted and been separated and then reconnected. We no longer need some of the genetics needed in the wild. How will we know what genetics are being passed on and what's "needed"? These animals started changing, adapting to a different environment as soon as they were no longer in the wild. They were exposed to new pathogens, etc. and started adapting to our little glass boxes. The predators and pathogens that shaped these animals in the wild has changed. Their gut fauna has changed over relatively few generations. Trying to say that there is only one way to do it is speculation since we just don't know. Someone could inbreed and keep the animals alive and producing for 15-20 years each and be in better shape than someone mixing lines and coming up w/ coccidia. There are lots of different ways to breed animals. All are acceptable depending on circumstances and what your trying to accomplish.
My problem is that y'all are making it too complicated. There are 5 "types" or more of blue jean pumilio. Some have mixed Frye line and Nahn line. Those are mutts and any line should be able to be "mixed" w/ those offspring to produce a "mixed" population. Some people line breed frye line and some line breed Nahn line. Now there is also Mark Peppers "lines" and EU "lines" and now there are new CR "lines". All of them are "blue jeans" but only some have line info attached and newbies just want a pair of "blue jeans". Which one do I have and how do I breed them? I give up!!!!!! The sheer division of lines and morphs will cause most people to give up. What happens to frogs that have lost their lineage data or been mixed? Should they be thrown out? All this will lead to more and more imports because we are not satisfied w/ how others "manage" animals.
Saying lines w/ locale data and lineage info should be worth more will lead to more collections from the wild(or lying) as long as you "value" some animals over others.
...and exactly how many 'dog of the day' breeds got line bred SOOOO hard that they "turned squirrely"?
How many breeds HAVE gone bye-bye?
And, how many look anything like what we engineered to our liking
from, a wolf?
We can all throw up our collective hands and say "who careS!!!", and not give a shit about true new blood coming in, or old blood that trusted, vested people say they have and know
...or we can manage it correctly , right off the bat and understand that true locale data is worth it's weight in gold.
The guys with a bunch of made up names may express something different , but we all know what we can do with a pedigree, and we should, should all know
what you can do with mud.
Now, I'm going to check out some pics of Hawaiian
auratus this morning.