'Paru' Oophaga sylvatica - PICS !

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'Paru' Oophaga sylvatica - PICS !

Postby thedude » Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:44 pm

They finally came in today! Very amazing frogs in all aspects. The colors and patterns are crazy and they have a lot of interesting behaviors.

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Postby Philsuma » Wed Apr 25, 2012 8:47 pm

Love them !

Three cheers for the Peppers !!!

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Re: 'Paru' sylvatica

Postby Eric Walker » Wed Apr 25, 2012 9:38 pm

Incredible! love the variation. the last one is my favorite.

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Re: 'Paru' sylvatica - PICS !

Postby fieldsmith » Wed Apr 25, 2012 10:25 pm

Lookin awesome Adam!
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Some frogs...

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Re: 'Paru' sylvatica - PICS !

Postby thedude » Wed Apr 25, 2012 10:46 pm

Thanks guys! Ya Mark really out did himself with these.
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Re: 'Paru' sylvatica - PICS !

Postby Kate » Wed Apr 25, 2012 11:29 pm

Great photos! Congratulations!

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Re: 'Paru' sylvatica - PICS !

Postby Philsuma » Thu Apr 26, 2012 10:23 am

anyone know the prices, per, for this shipment ?

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Postby cbreon » Thu Apr 26, 2012 4:02 pm

$500/per

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Re: 'Paru' sylvatica - PICS !

Postby Tuckinrim8 » Fri Apr 27, 2012 1:38 am

Wow Adam amazing frogs! I still cant get over the variability of these.. I posted pictures in the other "Paru" thread but ill post them here too!
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Re: 'Paru' sylvatica

Postby ChrisK » Fri Apr 27, 2012 2:58 pm

Yeah, these are 100% a mixture of Lita and San Lorenzo

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Re: 'Paru' sylvatica - PICS !

Postby Philsuma » Fri Apr 27, 2012 3:31 pm

when you say, a mixture Chris....you are saying the SHIPMENT contains specimens from both Populations, correct ?

Not that many of the individual animals look like a CROSS between or containing elements of Both populations.

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Re: 'Paru' sylvatica - PICS !

Postby ChrisK » Fri Apr 27, 2012 3:46 pm

^ Option #2, with some looking way more like one or the other. I can post pics later of some of my Litas and San Lorenzos that look a lot like some of these.

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Postby Philsuma » Fri Apr 27, 2012 3:54 pm

interesting....Do these imports have locale (GPS) data ?

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Re: 'Paru' sylvatica - PICS !

Postby thedude » Fri Apr 27, 2012 4:06 pm

Those are some nice looking frogs! Definitely a lot of variation.

Phil, this population is inbetween the San Lorenzo and Lita populations and represents a natural crossing of them. I would assume they have GPS data since Wikiri is farming them in situ.
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Postby ChrisK » Fri Apr 27, 2012 6:00 pm

OK Litas, then San Lorenzos (most of these are probably on here in other threads already)

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Re: 'Paru' sylvatica - PICS !

Postby markpulawski » Fri Apr 27, 2012 8:35 pm

ChrisK wrote:^ Option #2, with some looking way more like one or the other. I can post pics later of some of my Litas and San Lorenzos that look a lot like some of these.



Chris you infer they took 2 populations and put them together in the program, mixing 2 morphs to create these offspring. I believe when the announcement was made that these were going to be available it was said that these come from an area where perhaps the 2 populations naturally occurred, creating a population unto themselves....a mixture or a unique morph where populations come together.
I would ask what you know of these animals?

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Re: Re: 'Paru' sylvatica - PICS !

Postby ChrisK » Fri Apr 27, 2012 8:43 pm

markpulawski wrote:
ChrisK wrote:^ Option #2, with some looking way more like one or the other. I can post pics later of some of my Litas and San Lorenzos that look a lot like some of these.



Chris you infer they took 2 populations and put them together in the program, mixing 2 morphs to create these offspring. I believe when the announcement was made that these were going to be available it was said that these come from an area where perhaps the 2 populations naturally occurred, creating a population unto themselves....a mixture or a unique morph where populations come together.
I would ask what you know of these animals?

No I'm being misunderstood, I don't know anything anyone else does - I also think they are what you mentioned ^ I'm just showing how individuals have more characteristics of one or the other.

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Re: Re: 'Paru' sylvatica - PICS !

Postby cbreon » Sun Apr 29, 2012 9:24 am

ChrisK wrote:
markpulawski wrote:
ChrisK wrote:^ Option #2, with some looking way more like one or the other. I can post pics later of some of my Litas and San Lorenzos that look a lot like some of these.



Chris you infer they took 2 populations and put them together in the program, mixing 2 morphs to create these offspring. I believe when the announcement was made that these were going to be available it was said that these come from an area where perhaps the 2 populations naturally occurred, creating a population unto themselves....a mixture or a unique morph where populations come together.
I would ask what you know of these animals?

No I'm being misunderstood, I don't know anything anyone else does - I also think they are what you mentioned ^ I'm just showing how individuals have more characteristics of one or the other.


This is Mark Pepper's explanation of the cross:

This represents years of work and a monumental effort by WIKIRI and some pretty world renown Ecuadorian biologists to make this happen.

Historically the entirety of the Ecuadorian Choco would have enjoyed sylvatica distribution, with one population naturally running into another in many places, probably a slow transition from morph to morph throughout much of Esmeraldas, Imabaru, Carachi and into Colombia.

Geographically, Alto Tambo and the Otokiki reserve where these "Paru" frogs originate is situated between Lita which is located to the south east and San Lorenzo to North west. The hobby is long familiar with both frogs from near Lita, and those from near San Lorenzo. These Paru frogs, naturally are variable and express some morphological traits from both of these aforementioned neighboring populations. This is to be expected as there is no major naturally geography to isolate these populations. Resource extraction, in many forms has resulted in the isolation and reduction of many populations and ranges, but this is a rather recent phenomenon.

Most of these frogs are red/orange to caramel base colour with some hints of yellow spotting on the dorsum. A few lack the spotting and are more uniform in colour, while others have more pronounced spotting. The situation here is no different than what is often seen with pumilio from Isla Bastimentos, the Red and Blue Escudo situation, or variability that is naturally present in many Dendrobatid populations. These are not hybrids between two distinct species as is the case with lehmanii and histrionica hybrids.

WIKIRI is working on a much more detailed informational release, which will in much more detail summarize their work, the conservation, research, and educational work that will benefit from the export of these frogs. As soon as that is ready, we will publish it online.


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Re: Re: 'Paru' sylvatica - PICS !

Postby markpulawski » Tue May 01, 2012 5:41 am

ChrisK wrote:
markpulawski wrote:
ChrisK wrote:^ Option #2, with some looking way more like one or the other. I can post pics later of some of my Litas and San Lorenzos that look a lot like some of these.



Chris you infer they took 2 populations and put them together in the program, mixing 2 morphs to create these offspring. I believe when the announcement was made that these were going to be available it was said that these come from an area where perhaps the 2 populations naturally occurred, creating a population unto themselves....a mixture or a unique morph where populations come together.
I would ask what you know of these animals?

No I'm being misunderstood, I don't know anything anyone else does - I also think they are what you mentioned ^ I'm just showing how individuals have more characteristics of one or the other.


Thanks Chris I misunderstood what you were getting at, I thought maybe you had heard something from across the pond.

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Re: 'Paru' sylvatica - PICS !

Postby cbreon » Fri May 04, 2012 1:00 pm

I found this while looking for more sylvaticus info today, pretty interesting to see the variability of the contributing populations that make up 'Paru'.

http://www.dendrobase.de/?gattung=Oopha ... a&id=12220


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