Oophaga pumilio Ryan and Escudo similarities - pics

[sidney ferrell]

Ive heard a few people say that ryans are nothing more than an escudo and alot of mixed thoughts, so I thought utd be neat to post a few pics of some ryans and escudo so people contemplating buying ryans can have a better idea at what theyd be getting.

Anyone whis already purchased ryans please feel free to post yours too.

[KGB]

I have not heard anyone saying one is the other... But nice Ryans none the less. Mine have very fine speckles.

[stemcellular]

[stemcellular]

Cant believe how much these resemble Nicky but I believe that they are from the Valiente pennisula.

[sidney ferrell]

I have not heard anyone saying one is the other... But nice Ryans none the less. Mine have very fine speckles.

Thanks man
And theres been a handful of people ive spoken to personally and they said similar things...that they thought it was an escudo but as you can see i disagree.

@ ray- thise are awesome nicky pics, but now when i compare to the ensenadas that came in, i lean more towards nicky resembling those even more? but the last set of nickys look similar to these for sure

[sidney ferrell]

Oh my bad---just realized these are your ryans...i thought they were nicky pics you took... Nice.

[stemcellular]

The above are "Ryan" for what thats worth.

Here are some "escondido Nicky" in situ, http://s699.photobucket.com/albums/vv35 ... -%20Nicky/

[sidney ferrell]

The above are "Ryan" for what thats worth.

Here are some "escondido Nicky" in situ, http://s699.photobucket.com/albums/vv35 ... -%20Nicky/

Very nice

Are you familiar with the "melci" locale when you were down there?

Thought this was interesting- european site but oh well

http://www.gifkikkerportaal.nl/Media/So ... fault.aspx

[BluePumilio]

They are clearly not escudo, please don't misunderstand that post. I meant the Ryan's coloration is more like escudo and most are not spotted.

[Philsuma]

I have heard that there are some mainland populations that look VERY similar in all respects to the Insular population. This may be another good reason to keep import years of all Escudo separate.

[BluePumilio]

I have not heard of any populations you could not tell apart from the Escudo, I don't think we NEED to keep the escudo imports seperate but it wouldn't hurt to label them with the import date.

I have heard that there are some mainland populations that look VERY similar in all respects to the Insular population. This may be another good reason to keep import years of all Escudo separate.

[cbreon]

I have not heard of any populations you could not tell apart from the Escudo, I don't think we NEED to keep the escudo imports seperate but it wouldn't hurt to label them with the import date.

I have heard that there are some mainland populations that look VERY similar in all respects to the Insular population. This may be another good reason to keep import years of all Escudo separate.

Phil, I know what you are saying, but at this point it is hard to say. I think the escudo poulation is contigous and that is the consensus from those who have been there and most of the hobby. However, I have heard of some phenotypically similar frogs on the Ensenada Penninsula that would obviously be easier to access than escudos. So, for that reason I could understand why some would want to keep the imports seperate. But, some others have made some really good points as to why it would be bad to limit the gene pools based on import year. At the least, I think its best policy for everyone to keep as much info for all their frogs as possible, as Justin suggested. I know people are mixing a lot of the christobal imports, some of the eldorado's, etc. At the least everyone should know the import year, name and source of their pumilio, at least for the recent imports. Some of the older lines get a little more difficult to track.

[RichFrye]

I have not heard of any populations you could not tell apart from the Escudo, I don't think we NEED to keep the escudo imports seperate but it wouldn't hurt to label them with the import date.

... Some of the older lines get a little more difficult to track.

JP found a population which is right across from Escudo and they look almost identical.

Craig, you just made me laugh harder than I have laughed at a frog related post in awhile.
All the stand up guys involved with these Panama frogs of late and the older lines are the difficult ones to track? Ha freakin' ha.


Duck season
Wabbit season
Duck season
Wabbit season
Wabbit season
Duck season.
BANG!

[cbreon]

Well...harder to track...in that no one is saying sheppard island, source?, import year?? And some of those bastis seemed to just get lumped together...early BJ imports, did anyone even care about import, source year at that point, same for old line histos, lehmani...

But, in some respects, many of the older frogs are easier to track b/c the community was smaller and the sources seemed more limited. IE, we know where the old azurees, terribs, many of the pumilio, many of the thumbs were bred by...now the info of when they came in and how they came in might have been a little more private....

Although, I am glad to provide some comic releif, especially on a Friday!

[RichFrye]

Bang!

[BluePumilio]

Rich, the Ryan are directly across from Escudo.

I have not heard of any populations you could not tell apart from the Escudo, I don't think we NEED to keep the escudo imports seperate but it wouldn't hurt to label them with the import date.

JP found a population which is right across from Escudo and they look almost identical.

Craig, you just made me laugh harder than I have laughed at a frog related post in awhile.
All the stand up guys involved with these Panama frogs of late and the older lines are the difficult ones to track? Ha freakin' ha.


Duck season
Wabbit season
Duck season
Wabbit season
Wabbit season
Duck season.
BANG!

[RichFrye]

Rich, the Ryan are directly across from Escudo.

Well, I'm glad clears things up...


The "ryan" and what other populations? Since we have them all mapped out and labeled...I should have been clearer too when I say "right across from". That could include a lot of area /unknown populations.


Who named these "ryan" btw?

[BluePumilio]

Found near by are Ensenada, Melci, BlueVille (?), Bruno, not sure of others off the top of my head.

I believe Chris named them.

[RichFrye]

...because this frog below looks just like Stem's or The Thief's "ryans" ...
Just like Polowski's Salt Creek are (what am I saying ARE...those have been flipped long ago, if old habits are hard to break) 100% the same as Patrick's. Yup.




Crystal clear guys!

[RichFrye]

I'm sure Chris would be proud of what's going on with his populations...ones that were supposed to be kept secret , if his wishes were honored.