Oophaga pumilio Ryan and Escudo similarities - pics

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Oophaga pumilio Ryan and Escudo similarities - pics

Postby sidney ferrell » Wed Mar 06, 2013 9:44 pm

Ive heard a few people say that ryans are nothing more than an escudo and alot of mixed thoughts, so I thought utd be neat to post a few pics of some ryans and escudo so people contemplating buying ryans can have a better idea at what theyd be getting.

Anyone whis already purchased ryans please feel free to post yours too.
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Re: Ryan and Escudo

Postby KGB » Wed Mar 06, 2013 10:36 pm

I have not heard anyone saying one is the other... But nice Ryans none the less. Mine have very fine speckles.

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Re: Ryan and Escudo

Postby stemcellular » Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:00 pm

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Re: Ryan and Escudo

Postby stemcellular » Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:01 pm

Cant believe how much these resemble Nicky but I believe that they are from the Valiente pennisula.


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Re: Ryan and Escudo

Postby sidney ferrell » Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:19 pm

KGB wrote:I have not heard anyone saying one is the other... But nice Ryans none the less. Mine have very fine speckles.

Thanks man
And theres been a handful of people ive spoken to personally and they said similar things...that they thought it was an escudo but as you can see i disagree.

@ ray- thise are awesome nicky pics, but now when i compare to the ensenadas that came in, i lean more towards nicky resembling those even more? but the last set of nickys look similar to these for sure

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Re: Ryan and Escudo

Postby sidney ferrell » Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:24 pm

Oh my bad---just realized these are your ryans...i thought they were nicky pics you took... Nice.
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Re: Ryan and Escudo

Postby stemcellular » Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:29 pm

The above are "Ryan" for what thats worth.

Here are some "escondido Nicky" in situ, http://s699.photobucket.com/albums/vv35 ... -%20Nicky/

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Re: Ryan and Escudo

Postby sidney ferrell » Wed Mar 06, 2013 11:33 pm

stemcellular wrote:The above are "Ryan" for what thats worth.

Here are some "escondido Nicky" in situ, http://s699.photobucket.com/albums/vv35 ... -%20Nicky/

Very nice

Are you familiar with the "melci" locale when you were down there?

Thought this was interesting- european site but oh well

http://www.gifkikkerportaal.nl/Media/So ... fault.aspx

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Re: Ryan and Escudo

Postby BluePumilio » Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:41 pm

They are clearly not escudo, please don't misunderstand that post. I meant the Ryan's coloration is more like escudo and most are not spotted.

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Re: Ryan and Escudo

Postby Philsuma » Thu Mar 07, 2013 8:52 pm

I have heard that there are some mainland populations that look VERY similar in all respects to the Insular population. This may be another good reason to keep import years of all Escudo separate.

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Re: Ryan and Escudo

Postby BluePumilio » Thu Mar 07, 2013 9:07 pm

I have not heard of any populations you could not tell apart from the Escudo, I don't think we NEED to keep the escudo imports seperate but it wouldn't hurt to label them with the import date.


Philsuma wrote:I have heard that there are some mainland populations that look VERY similar in all respects to the Insular population. This may be another good reason to keep import years of all Escudo separate.

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Re: Ryan and Escudo similarities

Postby cbreon » Fri Mar 08, 2013 1:25 pm

BluePumilio wrote:I have not heard of any populations you could not tell apart from the Escudo, I don't think we NEED to keep the escudo imports seperate but it wouldn't hurt to label them with the import date.


Philsuma wrote:I have heard that there are some mainland populations that look VERY similar in all respects to the Insular population. This may be another good reason to keep import years of all Escudo separate.


Phil, I know what you are saying, but at this point it is hard to say. I think the escudo poulation is contigous and that is the consensus from those who have been there and most of the hobby. However, I have heard of some phenotypically similar frogs on the Ensenada Penninsula that would obviously be easier to access than escudos. So, for that reason I could understand why some would want to keep the imports seperate. But, some others have made some really good points as to why it would be bad to limit the gene pools based on import year. At the least, I think its best policy for everyone to keep as much info for all their frogs as possible, as Justin suggested. I know people are mixing a lot of the christobal imports, some of the eldorado's, etc. At the least everyone should know the import year, name and source of their pumilio, at least for the recent imports. Some of the older lines get a little more difficult to track.

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Re: Ryan and Escudo similarities

Postby RichFrye » Fri Mar 08, 2013 2:26 pm

cbreon wrote:
BluePumilio wrote:I have not heard of any populations you could not tell apart from the Escudo, I don't think we NEED to keep the escudo imports seperate but it wouldn't hurt to label them with the import date.


Philsuma wrote:... Some of the older lines get a little more difficult to track.


JP found a population which is right across from Escudo and they look almost identical.

Craig, you just made me laugh harder than I have laughed at a frog related post in awhile.
All the stand up guys involved with these Panama frogs of late and the older lines are the difficult ones to track? :lol: Ha freakin' ha.


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Re: Ryan and Escudo similarities

Postby cbreon » Fri Mar 08, 2013 2:50 pm

Well...harder to track...in that no one is saying sheppard island, source?, import year?? And some of those bastis seemed to just get lumped together...early BJ imports, did anyone even care about import, source year at that point, same for old line histos, lehmani...

But, in some respects, many of the older frogs are easier to track b/c the community was smaller and the sources seemed more limited. IE, we know where the old azurees, terribs, many of the pumilio, many of the thumbs were bred by...now the info of when they came in and how they came in might have been a little more private....

Although, I am glad to provide some comic releif, especially on a Friday!

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Re: Ryan and Escudo similarities

Postby RichFrye » Fri Mar 08, 2013 2:55 pm

Bang!
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Re: Ryan and Escudo similarities

Postby BluePumilio » Fri Mar 08, 2013 3:20 pm

Rich, the Ryan are directly across from Escudo.


RichFrye wrote:
cbreon wrote:
BluePumilio wrote:I have not heard of any populations you could not tell apart from the Escudo, I don't think we NEED to keep the escudo imports seperate but it wouldn't hurt to label them with the import date.




JP found a population which is right across from Escudo and they look almost identical.

Craig, you just made me laugh harder than I have laughed at a frog related post in awhile.
All the stand up guys involved with these Panama frogs of late and the older lines are the difficult ones to track? :lol: Ha freakin' ha.


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Re: Ryan and Escudo similarities

Postby RichFrye » Fri Mar 08, 2013 3:29 pm

BluePumilio wrote:Rich, the Ryan are directly across from Escudo.




Well, I'm glad clears things up...


The "ryan" and what other populations? Since we have them all mapped out and labeled...I should have been clearer too when I say "right across from". That could include a lot of area /unknown populations.


Who named these "ryan" btw?
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Re: Ryan and Escudo similarities

Postby BluePumilio » Fri Mar 08, 2013 3:38 pm

Found near by are Ensenada, Melci, BlueVille (?), Bruno, not sure of others off the top of my head.

I believe Chris named them.

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Re: Ryan and Escudo similarities

Postby RichFrye » Fri Mar 08, 2013 3:40 pm

...because this frog below looks just like Stem's or The Thief's "ryans" ...
Just like Polowski's Salt Creek are (what am I saying ARE...those have been flipped long ago, if old habits are hard to break) 100% the same as Patrick's. Yup.

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Re: Ryan and Escudo similarities

Postby RichFrye » Fri Mar 08, 2013 3:42 pm

I'm sure Chris would be proud of what's going on with his populations...ones that were supposed to be kept secret , if his wishes were honored.
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