Dendrobates tinctorius "Robertus"

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Re: Dendrobates tinctorius "Robertus"

Postby ecichlid » Sun Jan 25, 2015 9:50 pm

You are taking a real risk of shutting down egg production. I would wait till you get them into a dry season, no?
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Re: Dendrobates tinctorius "Robertus"

Postby joneill809 » Sun Jan 25, 2015 10:57 pm

Nah I'm not worried. The move is weeks / months away at my pace. I still have to catch ~11 red galacts which in my experience is a tall task...especially in a 120. Then I have some bulk head revisions and a new false bottom planned, then replanting. Then the 2.1 Robertus that is not producing will make the move. I'll see where things are by then. For now they are in the 30, but ultimately they'll move to the 120.

They did deposit another clutch today in their hut - somewhere around 8 to 10 - they deposited between two magnolia leaves so it's hard to get a good view. I did pull them, but I didn't want to move around the leaves too much and disturb the clutch.
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Re: Dendrobates tinctorius "Robertus"

Postby ecichlid » Sun Jan 25, 2015 11:46 pm

Sounds like a good plan. :-) Glad your Robertus are producing regularly now.

Kinda weird coincidence. I have 8 red galacts I'm going to be moving soon into a 67 gallon 24x18x36. I have dibs on 2 more, I'm wondering if I'm pushing it by putting that many frogs into that size of an enclosure. What are your thoughts Jim?
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Re: Dendrobates tinctorius "Robertus"

Postby joneill809 » Tue Jan 27, 2015 4:07 pm

ecichlid wrote:Kinda weird coincidence. I have 8 red galacts I'm going to be moving soon into a 67 gallon 24x18x36. I have dibs on 2 more, I'm wondering if I'm pushing it by putting that many frogs into that size of an enclosure. What are your thoughts Jim?

I think you'll be fine if you heavily scape the back wall with lots of terraces. I've got 11 in the 120 now (the 8 adults and 3 froglets/juveniles that I have not caught yet) and it still looks empty. I was talking to Patrick about them when I purchased my first four a few years back and he noted how they do better in groups, though things can get a bit testy during breeding season which I have seen. Most of the time they hang out peacefully together in caves or basking on ledges - usually side by side by side or squished into a little crack. The only time fights have broken out was between competing calling males and the spats usually only lasted 5 minutes. So I think you're fine if you have a lot of ledges (which I'm sure you will :) ). Here's the 120 thread. Good luck with them - they are a beautiful frog...when you can see them.
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Re: Dendrobates tinctorius "Robertus"

Postby joneill809 » Fri Feb 06, 2015 4:44 pm

A few images of eggs and tads! First four are in the water and the second clutch looked good:
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Second clutch from a few days ago...looks better than the first (looks to be 9/10).

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Here they are going into their grow out tank.
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Four tads from the first clutch hatched out and look good.
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Re: Dendrobates tinctorius "Robertus"

Postby Dendrokurt » Fri Feb 06, 2015 4:55 pm

Do you plan on raising the tads together? I have heard they grow faster that way but I'm too scared to do it


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Re: Dendrobates tinctorius "Robertus"

Postby joneill809 » Fri Feb 06, 2015 5:29 pm

Yeah Marcus explained his experiences to me last summer so I though I'd give it a try and that's how I've raised all my lorenzo.

They are in a 2.5 gallon tank with about 1.5" of Turface substrate and a handful of live oak Leaf litter with a few magnolia leaves tossed in. I age the tanks for a few months so the LL sinks and I add a few cork bark strips that float. There's plenty of of cover for tads to hide and the cork lets them haul out when they are ready. It has worked well for me. I hate cups :lol:

I generally don't mix ages of tadpoles. Sometimes I'll combine two clutches. That said, I've had some lorenzo tads that grow quick and others that grow slowly and they seem to get on fine. I tend to change water about once a month, just topping off for evaporation between changes. I rinse the tanks with RO water between clutches but I try not to upset the bacteria in the Turface too much.

Its too early to tell if I get stronger froglets or not and I have not done any scientifically valid experiments. It's really just the next easiest method after tank rearing.
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Re: Dendrobates tinctorius "Robertus"

Postby joneill809 » Mon Feb 16, 2015 12:40 am

Clutch 1 yielded 4 tadpoles, and it looks like clutch 2 is going to yield 2 more. The second clutch looked strong initially, then most of the eggs stopped developing. They deposited their third clutch today. This time they used a petri dish, so we'll see how this one goes.
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Grainy tadpole shots (they hang toward the middle of the tank so it's hard to get clear shots):
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Re: Dendrobates tinctorius "Robertus"

Postby Dendrokurt » Mon Feb 16, 2015 6:09 am

They look great, at least your getting some consistency with your clutches, eventually all of the eggs will start turning out ok. Occasionally I lose an egg out of a larger clutch and I think only once I lost a whole clutch.
I had a clutch of 8 tads hatch out of their eggs prematurely last week, they are all doing fine but I'm going to go ahead and try raising them communally as well and see how that goes.


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Re: Dendrobates tinctorius "Robertus"

Postby joneill809 » Sat Feb 28, 2015 12:04 pm

The Robertus moves are happening slowly. I decided to leave the original 1.1 in their 18x18x24 since they are consistently producing. They've dropped two nice clutches in the last two weeks. Here is one that is farther along with what looks like 11/11 good eggs:
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The 2.1 was not showing signs of doing that much, so they were moved to the 120 gallon after it was rebuilt. They FINALLY look like they are in a tank that is appropriately sized for them; now they look like bakhuis in an 18" cube :lol:. Here's the new setup for the 2.1:
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Using the new cork work....

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The female (top) checking out the cork round...

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The one eyed male scaled the front glass. This is a shot from the top down.

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One eyed male working his way around the top of the viv.

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They look dinky at the top of this viv lol.

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One eyed male checking out a brom.

Ideally I'd like another two frogs in there - maybe holdback males from the 1.1's offspring someday.
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Re: Dendrobates tinctorius "Robertus"

Postby joneill809 » Mon Mar 09, 2015 1:51 am

Any day now with the original clutch:
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The follow on clutch is coming along well too:
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The tads are bulking up:
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Re: Dendrobates tinctorius "Robertus"

Postby rcteem » Mon Mar 09, 2015 9:42 pm

Keep up the great work!!! Such a beautiful frog

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Re: Dendrobates tinctorius "Robertus"

Postby joneill809 » Fri May 08, 2015 8:05 pm

First froglets are crawling out...gotta get moving on the Sherman conversion kit lol:
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Re: Dendrobates tinctorius "Robertus"

Postby Dendrokurt » Fri May 08, 2015 8:25 pm

That one looks almost identical to one of my froglets.

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Re: Dendrobates tinctorius "Robertus"

Postby joneill809 » Mon May 11, 2015 10:11 am

Shots of the three froglets before going into grow out:
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Re: Dendrobates tinctorius "Robertus"

Postby Philsuma » Mon Apr 04, 2016 2:15 pm

Now, I see we have the Dendrobates tinctorius 'Pereientu' locale - SPH15 code.

A 'variable' morph......

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Re: Dendrobates tinctorius "Robertus"

Postby joneill809 » Mon Apr 04, 2016 2:40 pm

Yeah, IMO they have a different look compared to the 2014 SAS animals I have and have seen. It would be interesting to hear others chime in on how to handle mixing of the two imports. I think Sean's have a better description of the collection area than the SAS animals had, and the pictures of Sean's seem more consistent than the spectrum of colors that came in during 2014. I have no idea how to manage them though lol. Last I heard about 50 pair came in with the 2014 import - so enough to manage a population if done properly, and if you just mix up all the color gradients. Don't let my pictures skew your view of Robertus - mine were high yellow.

The yellows in some of the pictures are far more intense than any 2014 Robertus I have seen - maybe its different camera settings:
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Though this one did seem closer to what many 2014 animals looked like:
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Re: Dendrobates tinctorius "Robertus"

Postby Philsuma » Mon Apr 04, 2016 3:59 pm

Who was the guy in Flori-duh that was trying to sell Robertus froglets for 100.00 to 150.00 each - As the FIRST guy to breed them ?

He was the top of the 'ponzi / pyramid'.

I remember being offered Veredero TADPOLES of $100.00 each if I bought multiples, from one of the first breeders. HA

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Re: Dendrobates tinctorius "Robertus"

Postby joneill809 » Mon Apr 04, 2016 4:27 pm

http://www.dartden.com/viewtopic.php?f= ... 85&p=62670

My initial impression were Robertus were prolific enough that they would be a common frog if managed well. I thought they would settle at about $50 a frog, maybe less. Though I must say I don't see a lot of them being offered. Is anyone else having success with them? Marcus said 50 pair came in. I hope folks are breeding the WC's. Do you think people just got them for display and are not actively breeding?
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