Poll - Do you need to see pictures before buying frogs ?

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Do you need to see pictures before buying frogs ?

Yes
29
69%
Sometimes (please elaborate below)
10
24%
No
3
7%
 
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Poll - Do you need to see pictures before buying frogs ?

Postby cbreon » Fri Jun 29, 2012 4:35 pm

I made this poll in reference to those who do not include pics in their for sale adds. I would imagine that almost all of us need to see pictures before we buy frogs over the interwebs, so why don't more posters include them in their "for sale" add? Even if you post them after the fact, IME I get much more interest in adds that have pictures. Not to mention, I don't have to field 30 emails requesting pics after the fact. No offense to the ones that don't, but I feel like it should be a "best practice."

Also, I think we all enjoy frog pics :mrgreen:

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Re: Do you need to see pictures before buying frogs ?

Postby Eric Walker » Fri Jun 29, 2012 6:38 pm

Sometimes.

Heres how I look at it. If I were going to buy lets just say something standard like leucs from someone I know and trust to be a stand up frogger then I wouldnt need them because they are for the most part All the same to me. But if I were in the market for some el dorado I would absolutly want pics even from that same trusted frogger. There are quite a few different shades And types of eldorado. Just look at the two groups you have from phil for example.

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Re: Do you need to see pictures before buying frogs ?

Postby Rusty_Shackleford » Fri Jun 29, 2012 9:12 pm

As a buyer if you don't request pics, then you really have less room to complain when it comes to leaving feedback. Most sellers will accommodate you with photos if you ask. Especially if you are dealing with someone you don't know, or heaven forbid someone of questionable morals.
As a seller, yes, sometimes getting pics of frogs is a P.I.T.A., but ya gotta do what ya gotta do.
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Re: Do you need to see pictures before buying frogs ?

Postby pa.walt » Fri Jun 29, 2012 11:09 pm

pics are nice. when one goes to reptile/herp show how do you buy frogs. you go to the seller and say give me a leuc. or do you say let me look at them before i choose. even though i usually don't buy as much i like to look.

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Re: Poll - Do you need to see pictures before buying frogs ?

Postby JimO » Sat Jun 30, 2012 4:52 pm

I almost always request photos unless I'm buying a group of juveniles from someone I know well and have dealt with before.

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Re: Poll - Do you need to see pictures before buying frogs ?

Postby jellyman » Sat Jun 30, 2012 10:52 pm

If it is a rare frog or if I am looking for certain traits I will ask for pictures.

If I am getting a generic tinc or leuc I do not need pictures.

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Re: Poll - Do you need to see pictures before buying frogs ?

Postby cbreon » Mon Jul 02, 2012 11:16 am

I must say that I am suprised that people buy frogs without pics. I can't say that I have ever bought any without seeing some pics first. Interesting to see people's approach to purchases...

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Re: Poll - Do you need to see pictures before buying frogs ?

Postby frogface » Mon Jul 02, 2012 11:33 am

It depends on the seller, more than anything else. If I've seen examples of their frogs, know them well, have done business with them before, etc.

For example: If I was looking for some tinc froglets, I'd send a PM to Bill Schwinn and ask him to send me some. I wouldn't need him to send me pics because his frogs are well represented in pictures all over the place and I know him to be a quality breeder.

The same would go for Rich Frye. Although I've never done business with him before, his frogs are also well represented and people who have purchased from him have (in my experience) always raved about the quality and health. I wouldn't require pictures from him.

eta: There are others. These guys were just the first to come to mind :D
Do you know where your frogs have been?

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Re: Poll - Do you need to see pictures before buying frogs ?

Postby Philsuma » Mon Jul 02, 2012 11:51 am

Even If the Pope was selling dart frogs, I'd still need to see pics at the very least, sometimes even the animals themselves to better observe them.

just my .02....

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Re: Poll - Do you need to see pictures before buying frogs ?

Postby krakanax » Mon Jul 02, 2012 4:30 pm

Philsuma wrote:Even If the Pope was selling dart frogs, I'd still need to see pics at the very least


:mrgreen: :mrgreen:


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Re: Poll - Do you need to see pictures before buying frogs ?

Postby Alien Bean » Thu Apr 04, 2013 8:31 pm

I agree with what seems to be the majority. Usually will want to see pic, but if it's a seller that I've purchased from in past with good results, and that I've come to know and trust, sometimes I will defer to them to pick out the frog or pair they would keep for themselves, or have them pick out a pair or a frog with the particular traits I want (e.g. say a male Salt Creek that is classic orange, and with no orange on its legs) or that sort of thing. If it is someone I am less familiar with, darn right I'll want photo before deciding to purchase. If any doubt, best to ask for a pic, I think.

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Re: Poll - Do you need to see pictures before buying frogs ?

Postby scott_r » Wed Jan 01, 2014 10:34 pm

How about now? We are seeing a rise in tadpole sells. It is a total gamble but mostly good. Is it still important to see pics?

And for the record, I support selling tads. If I buy tads, I control their diet, enviroment, etc. I know what I am getting and know the chances of loss

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Re: Poll - Do you need to see pictures before buying frogs ?

Postby Sally » Wed Jan 01, 2014 11:08 pm

The only 2 "breeders" I know that are openly selling tadpoles are DFC and DF and I absolutely do not support this. Therefore nope, no pictures needed.

I prefer to pay the person who has raised the parents, then tads to frogs with care and attention, for their efforts.

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Re: Poll - Do you need to see pictures before buying frogs ?

Postby scott_r » Wed Jan 01, 2014 11:13 pm

There are several members here and dendroboard that sell tadpoles. They don't advertise it

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Re: Poll - Do you need to see pictures before buying frogs ?

Postby scott_r » Wed Jan 01, 2014 11:23 pm

There are numerous times when it is necessary to have tadpoles from another line to use as a control group, etc. Not everyone buys tadpoles because they are cheap. I have paid froglet price several times when needing tadpoles.
Also,
You are against it because Taron sells them? He sells frogs too. Are you against that?

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Re: Poll - Do you need to see pictures before buying frogs ?

Postby Sally » Thu Jan 02, 2014 11:55 am

I don’t have a problem with the occasional sale/trade/ giving of tadpoles. I just will not spend money for frogs or supplies with ANY business or hobbyist that makes the selling of tadpoles a regular part their operation. I hate to see the PDF hobby going in this direction for a multitude of reasons, but since this thread is about something else I will leave it at that.

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Re: Poll - Do you need to see pictures before buying frogs ?

Postby Philsuma » Fri Dec 18, 2015 9:53 pm

Dude, if you don't post pics of frogs, especially pumilio, you ain't gonna sell many at all...

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Re: Poll - Do you need to see pictures before buying frogs ?

Postby kristy55303 » Mon Dec 21, 2015 3:23 am

yes actual recent pics - of frogs being sold-absolutely..... :wink: also I'm not against tadpole sales...a nice recent shot of them in their setup will do versus stressing any out for one by one pics and i get what Sally is trying to point out but the occasional tadpole sale isn't doing any harm IMO... however if you're just selling tadpoles and never juvis etc....then there might be a problem as to their viability or not, obviously 8)

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Re: Poll - Do you need to see pictures before buying frogs ?

Postby kristy55303 » Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:42 pm

I thought about this some more, and in light of some recent seller/s having issues getting frogs to be available to ship at designated shipping times between seller and buyer, it should now be absolutely necessary. in fact, no more sales should be allowed without recent actual pics. It is kind of sad we have to go to these extremes but it is what it is.....Posting pics that you have saved on a computer as a a seller is plain lazy and/or can mean it is "fishy" so beware just in case..... or just because you think you know and trust a person these days won't suffice anymore.... so like Phil frogss for sale at the time of sale, period. This post is geared towards everyone. for now on, Phil, can we make a rule that all sales need to include recent new pics of the frogs for sale in question???

This might avoid sales issues in the future that you Phil needs to unfortunately deal with the hassle of extra Pm's and extra work to solve issues that shouldn't have been an issue in the first place. Old pics of past sales will not suffice IMHO. I don't make the rules but it makes perfect sense. Neither will pics of pictures that have been featured prior to the current sale, IMO. Old pics on a computer of a frog that resembles the frog for sale will not suffice, as well, as a great example. Let's not all need to start posting frogs for sale with todays newspaper ads on them to prove they are indeed recent frog pics. :wink: Phil what do you think about setting this as a sticky to protect both buyers and sellers? In your own words of course if needed ?:

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Re: Poll - Do you need to see pictures before buying frogs ?

Postby Philsuma » Wed Dec 23, 2015 2:50 pm

There are so extenuating circumstances - some folks actually do not know how to post pics or use a third party hosting system, even though Dart Den will host your pics here for ya. But the point is, there has to be a small percentage of people that cannot get a proper pic up and we will have to allow that.

I usually do try to 'bug' every sale add for a pic and especially a location.

Pics ARE indeed important!


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