Andy,
I would say Ben's experiences with lamasi are similar to mine ( without the door opening related deaths).
The more I talk to people working with these frogs, the more I believe it to be a genetic problem. I do not know exactly what the problem is, but I know the issues . There are just too many different people trying so many different things , changing up habits, feeding different, with no (good) results.
I am very excited to get production from a crossed line . I am keeping my fingers crossed in anticipation that this mixing of genes may help out with some of the lamasi issues.
Rich
Rich,
Its seems that if everyone is having the same problem but from different blood lines then genetics would seem less likely. If they get that stressed out maybe they need a really large tank. How big of tanks do most keep them in?
Mike
Alright thanks for all the info guys. I was just curious what the deal was. They are very pretty frogs and I am glad that I don't want any at this point! Good luck and I will keep reading this thread.
Andy
The main problem is the fact there are only two lines that I know of breeding. There very well may be more. If you breed the same line enough times ( although it may be well into the double or even triple digits) bad stuff will eventually happen. Mix two bloodlines and cross the fingers.
I know people have tried all shapes/sizes/conditions in their vivs.
Rich
I only know of 2 lines also, but haven't traced them back to see who imported them and if the imports are even the same line. I know of another breeder who has at least one mixed line pair, but haven't followed up on the results. I would guess that both lines come from the same bloodline back in Europe, but that is something I would have to check. I feel they are a lot like the intermedius, most of them came from the same importer just different shipments.
I don't know if I would say the problems are genetic, but they could be. I know the breeder that has a mixed line pair, has had very good luck with his breeding methods, due to what he thinks is less stress. This is from his non-mixed lines, he doesn't hunt down and pull eggs anymore, he just collects the tads they deposit in film canisters. He said when he started doing this his production almost doubled. I think it's a stressful frog, ours are ok bold and don't seem to stress out much however. But it could also be a fertility thing, like rumors with castis. Since he doesn't pull eggs, the males could be fertilizing the eggs more than once.
So why are there so few blood lines?
The two lines are separate. Tor's and Steve Waldron's. Steve went through Bearnt in Germany.
I think Tor, Adam , and myself are the three with mixed. Not sure how they are doing with theirs.
I have found the "leave em alone for a bit "method to work well on Fantasitcus, a skittish frog.
There are many reasons for the lack of bloodlines. This is not the only specie being worked with in the U.S. to be line limited. Many of the morphs out there only have two or three bloodlines in the States. CITES restricts import/export. Disease from Europe. Chance of getting ripped off. Too many reason to list really.
Rich
I talked with a guy that was getting bad eggs from his lamasi for quite awhile. He started feeding them some high protein type foods, basically fruit fly larve, and they started produing good eggs.Just thought I'd throw this in there :lol:
mark
Good info in this thread - from 6.5 years ago too.
Jason B.....lets get those guys of yours breeding, right ?
Gonna have to change the thread title to sirensis though...like we needed more confusion.