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Try rubbing it through a fine sieve - works a treat and all the lumps vanish and you are left with super fine powdwer! I use a sieve for all my feeds and supplements.

Regards
M&G

Not much to overthink.
A mortar and pestle will eventually bring the granual level to that of the VERY fine powder level of our supplements that stick just fine to our FFs. That fine granular level is why the supplements stick, but the supplements are not what is medicinal.
Grind the crap out of the meds, use the meds and don't dilute the meds with supplements that our frogs can do without for months or longer.

Or...you can cram meds down a throat of a dart which may or may not be stressed/sick, after weighing both the frog and the meds jammed down the gullet of a potentially sick /stressed frog...
Or...you can deliver a dose all at once on the back of a frog via liquid drop. All at once being absorbed at once as opposed to not having to hold a frog down and just let it eat medicated FFs in a gradual time period. Sort of like us taking our meds with food three times a day , as opposed to one huge dose being delivered /forced into a body...

Do you ever worry that your thumbnails will kill off all the worms at once and as they poop them out it will become impacted and then the frog will die?

itskris Wrote:Do you ever worry that your thumbnails will kill off all the worms at once and as they poop them out it will become impacted and then the frog will die?

No. One of the reasons I like Panacur so much is it has more of a slow, gradual kill than some other dart meds. Darts with very high loads of certain parasites should not be given meds which will kill fast.

Cindy Dicken Wrote:With regards to the supplements/panacure not sticking to the flys, if you will sprinkle the flys into a baggie, cup, or other container with a lid then put the flys in the fridge for 3 or 4 minutes. Remove the flys from the fridge, add the dust (after it has been thourghly pulverized with mortar/pestle) and shake to coat. The condensation from the humidity in the air should help, (unless your humidity is just ridiculously low).

I thought about dumping flies into a cup, spritzing them with some water, then dumping into another cup and adding the panacur.

Spritzing with water might be a little too much.

Yeah I figured that.

The issue to be careful of, is to cause the parasite load in the treated animal to die off so quickly, as to shock and toxify the very frog that you are trying to help.

hmmm...I am guilty of side tracking this topic too -I was just going to post about that very thing.

This is getting into the medication / treatment side of a quarantine procedure.

A quarantine procedure can be as much about observation as treatment - prophylactic or reactionary.

Philsuma Wrote:The issue to be careful of, is to cause the parasite load in the treated animal to die off so quickly, as to shock and toxify the very frog that you are trying to help.

hmmm...I am guilty of side tracking this topic too -I was just going to post about that very thing.

This is getting into the medication / treatment side of a quarantine procedure.

A quarantine procedure can be as much about observation as treatment - prophylactic or reactionary.

It's best to let the dart experienced vet 'observe' the parasite load/s. Three times at least. Then there's no doubt.
For all you guys and galls who insist on buying best gusses and other WC from those guys who shotgun all animals, if they are using certain meds, and their frogs have large parasite loads the frogs can go septic with a huge die off of worms , it's not unexpected.

Well said Rich,

Everyone does need to have a Vet with experience with Darts test and give the advice on treatment/meds.

Shotgunning is IMO not needed when you can test to be sure they have or do not have worms etc. plus there are other uglies out there that cannot be cured by panacur. There is a difference on heavy loads and light loads of parasites (hooks for example), heavy loads of hooks are a big PIA to treat-sometimes take several rounds of treatment.

Now there are different ways to deal with the panacur when treating but the important part is quarantine, test and treat if positive, then 3 clean fecals. The frogs are worth it along with the clean collection. Also an annual test of your collection is a good idea as well.

Once they are all "cleaned up" (in my case froglets), will I ever again need to worry about parasites ?

It just seems like exposure to parasites is more than likely to give you parasites, even if you are careful (say for instance having a puppy in the home that can track in hookworm from stepping its own feces before or during treatment).

So are fecals something that should be done once or twice a year ? And then what if it was found that the viv would be contaminated.

How does this get prevented ?