markpulawski Wrote:Beth if some one came on here and pronounced you a liar and demanded the origin of your frogs would you be cooperative of their request? Demanding info certainly isn't the way to get it, especially when the person requesting the info has already pronounced the seller a liar and painted him with a very guilty brush, does anyone have info that Brads BJ's are offspring of EU frogs? And if Brad came on here and said I bought my frogs from this guy and that would everyone say OK, they had Rich's frogs? I would bet $$ to donuts Brad coming back here and saying anything would only create pages of outrage. I for one am really glad this guy is having success, isn't breeding tough frogs and in abundance the best way to reduce the demand for smuggled frogs? Wasn't that the basis for this thread?
Let's actually state what really happened here Mark.
A year ago I had never heard of Brad Martin from Maine, ever. Ever.
Brad Martin
recently emailed me saying he was interested in knowing if I was breeding a number of grannies. He wanted info on the frogs including prices.
He happened to have the very same frogs he was 'interested in' for sale on Dendroboard. The same frogs that went from $600 to $300 in less than a week...
he HAD to get rid of them quickly...
Brad Martin was only going by "Dendrobati" on Dendroboard at this time, not signing "Brad". After I asked him why he'd be interested in my frogs all the while selling the exact same "Frye line" frogs (
exact same lines would need to be proven ) he stated that he was in fact not at all interested in purchasing my frogs as he initially inquired about , but was wanting pricing info from me and decided deceit was the best way for Brad to introduce himself to me.
Brad claimed that he needed start up money for his business and my lack of universal pricing was hurting the hobby. he decided that somehow his deceit was caused by me somehow...
When I asked who he got my line frogs from and when I asked to see the pics of all the young he claimed he had hopping around he was very fast to deny both info on the purchases and refused to send a single pic...
Now, we have someone who just popped out of nowhere claiming to be breeding all kinds of frogs with
my name plastered all over them and he will not introduce himself in any fashion other that a deceitful one, he refuses to show pics of eggs, young, breeding , etc, and he thinks that somehow I'm not going to demand a bit from him.
Yes, if you are using my name for profit, jumped into the hobby over-night, refuse to show pics or prove your word, make bullshit claims of me somehow anonymously "threatening" you I will demand a thing or two.
Here's a question. If you have sought out to purchase and are now breeding Frye line, Oso, Quepos, Golfito, Baru, Blue Jeans and Black Jeans ...(let's see what pops up next) how is it possible that the first and only ,
only contact in that whole time from looking for all those hard to find frogs , from before working with them to supposedly having them all now breeding ...how have I never once before this been contacted by this pop up hero Brad Martin?
Recap;
Brad Martin attempts to deceive me and sneak info and who knows what else out of me as his introduction to me.
Many others can testify to the fact that once you are breeding my lines all you need to do is contact me and I will openly give my thoughts on what frogs should go for what prices at what ages and sexes. Many have no problem at all being honest in this fashion. Open honesty. Not Brad martin's way though.
Brad Martin is only one guy who has popped up on the scene out of nowhere. When using my name plastered all over the interweb, yup, I'm asking for proof. Proof of his words.
Brad Martin, who popped up out of nowhere and tried to deceive me to this day refuses to post pics of all this breeding and refuses to tell us simply who he got the frogs from to back up his word.
This sure sounds like someone I want to do business with. A guy who plasters a bunch of rare frogs he needs to get rid of quick while offering nothing but deceit.
I'm sure you look at this from some different point of view Mark, I'm quite sure . Brad has lied to me and lied about threats, hence he's a liar. Simple to understand. If it matters to those purchasing.