https://www.dartden.com/ Fri, 23 Oct 2026 01:17:50 +0000 MyBB https://www.dartden.com/thread-7568.html Thu, 16 May 2024 12:30:22 -0500 Philsuma]]> https://www.dartden.com/thread-7568.html https://www.dartden.com/thread-7466.html Thu, 01 Jul 2021 15:16:50 -0500 Philsuma]]> https://www.dartden.com/thread-7466.html
Nope. They are almost all, cheap trash. Do not waste your money. 98% of them - retail sold, are not meant to be inside a humid vivarium, and 80-90% almost constant humidity will cause them to fail and have false readings. Stay away from them.

Use the 'Eyeball and finger" method.

First, make sure you have some standing water in your false bottom. Don't know what a 'false bottom' is? It's the hollow space under your substrate that hold excess water. You need it or your enclosure will be a sloppy wet mess and your plants will die.

When you have some water in your false bottom, you can literally see that there is some degree of humidity inside the enclosure. I like to have between 1 and 3" of water down there at all times.

Won't it get stinky and dank and need changed? Nope. It really doesn't smell. There is a zookeeper in NJ that says it's clean enough and without problems that he will drink false bottom water. Seriously. 

You need to HAND mist your enclosure. Do not buy a silly fogger. They are dangerous, get hot, malfunction, shit the bed after prolonged use and only add SURFACE moisture, not long lasting deeper water humidity.  Foggers are crap just like gauges. 

Initially Spray your whole tank down - everything. Get all the substrate hit with spray. Now, pause and take some dirt (substrate) and ball it up and squeeze it in your fist. Is it too dry? Is it so wet that water pours out. You want MOIST....not wet...not dry.

Same with plants and wood and tank hardscape - moist a couple times a day...never totally dry. The tank should have a lower humidity period - mine gets 50-65% guestimate of course, during the day and 70-90% at night and early morning. You will get good at looking and feeling and judging the humidity. It just takes a little time.

Lastly, make sure you have a GLASS lid. Not saran wrap, not plexiglas...a proper glass lid. Also make sure it's not sealed. Frogs must have airflow or they will die from lack of O2 or evaporative inability - similar but cause by heat plus lack of O2.

You lid should have @ 15-20 percent of it be either holes or screen or some other venting near the front of the tank.]]>
Nope. They are almost all, cheap trash. Do not waste your money. 98% of them - retail sold, are not meant to be inside a humid vivarium, and 80-90% almost constant humidity will cause them to fail and have false readings. Stay away from them.

Use the 'Eyeball and finger" method.

First, make sure you have some standing water in your false bottom. Don't know what a 'false bottom' is? It's the hollow space under your substrate that hold excess water. You need it or your enclosure will be a sloppy wet mess and your plants will die.

When you have some water in your false bottom, you can literally see that there is some degree of humidity inside the enclosure. I like to have between 1 and 3" of water down there at all times.

Won't it get stinky and dank and need changed? Nope. It really doesn't smell. There is a zookeeper in NJ that says it's clean enough and without problems that he will drink false bottom water. Seriously. 

You need to HAND mist your enclosure. Do not buy a silly fogger. They are dangerous, get hot, malfunction, shit the bed after prolonged use and only add SURFACE moisture, not long lasting deeper water humidity.  Foggers are crap just like gauges. 

Initially Spray your whole tank down - everything. Get all the substrate hit with spray. Now, pause and take some dirt (substrate) and ball it up and squeeze it in your fist. Is it too dry? Is it so wet that water pours out. You want MOIST....not wet...not dry.

Same with plants and wood and tank hardscape - moist a couple times a day...never totally dry. The tank should have a lower humidity period - mine gets 50-65% guestimate of course, during the day and 70-90% at night and early morning. You will get good at looking and feeling and judging the humidity. It just takes a little time.

Lastly, make sure you have a GLASS lid. Not saran wrap, not plexiglas...a proper glass lid. Also make sure it's not sealed. Frogs must have airflow or they will die from lack of O2 or evaporative inability - similar but cause by heat plus lack of O2.

You lid should have @ 15-20 percent of it be either holes or screen or some other venting near the front of the tank.]]> https://www.dartden.com/thread-7457.html Mon, 19 Apr 2021 09:14:24 -0500 lrh]]> https://www.dartden.com/thread-7457.html https://www.dartden.com/thread-7395.html Sun, 19 Jul 2020 10:29:03 -0500 joneill809]]> https://www.dartden.com/thread-7395.html
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01H3669T4

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I bought two of these for my tree monitor project as a test run to see how well they work. I ended up drilling access ports behind a basking area and in a dark hide on the other end of the PVC viv. This may be trickier with my existing glass boxes since i have all the access ports in the zoomeds and exoterras covered with my top glass, but I can drill a port in my top glass at some point. 

Using the single probe for temp and humidity was a bit glitchy for me so I wired both. I set them to 1 minute samples with circular logging (11 day duration, 16,000 datapoint buffer) and ran it for about a day then checked the data through their MacOS (!) app.

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I'll be working with them longer term tuning misting cycles and temperatures, but this is an interesting and cheap device that could be pretty useful. This viv is running at a gradient of 90% RH to 60% RH, and 72F to 93F which is pretty close to where I want to be. I have been spot checking other areas with my temperature gun, but I really like having the data logged to see continuous Temp & RH at least during my viv tuning cycles. This big viv is going to have permanent loggers though.

This company has even cheaper temperature only loggers that are similar to the Lascar design where you can just drop a USB logger directly in the viv. I didn't find a similar model with RH support, so I ended up going the probe route. I'm also not interested in more expensive models - I think have a higher number of cheaper loggers is more useful for really understanding the behavior of a viv.

EDIT: I went back and noticed they do have a USB RH/Temp logger that you can drop in the viv - these may be better for spot checking random vivs here and there:
https://www.amazon.com/Elitech-Temperatu...B074DR6LJ2]]>
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01H3669T4

  Screen Shot 2020-07-19 at 10.04.40 AM.png (Size: 71.12 KB / Downloads: 2295)

I bought two of these for my tree monitor project as a test run to see how well they work. I ended up drilling access ports behind a basking area and in a dark hide on the other end of the PVC viv. This may be trickier with my existing glass boxes since i have all the access ports in the zoomeds and exoterras covered with my top glass, but I can drill a port in my top glass at some point. 

Using the single probe for temp and humidity was a bit glitchy for me so I wired both. I set them to 1 minute samples with circular logging (11 day duration, 16,000 datapoint buffer) and ran it for about a day then checked the data through their MacOS (!) app.

  Screen Shot 2020-07-19 at 10.02.44 AM.png (Size: 186.89 KB / Downloads: 818)

I'll be working with them longer term tuning misting cycles and temperatures, but this is an interesting and cheap device that could be pretty useful. This viv is running at a gradient of 90% RH to 60% RH, and 72F to 93F which is pretty close to where I want to be. I have been spot checking other areas with my temperature gun, but I really like having the data logged to see continuous Temp & RH at least during my viv tuning cycles. This big viv is going to have permanent loggers though.

This company has even cheaper temperature only loggers that are similar to the Lascar design where you can just drop a USB logger directly in the viv. I didn't find a similar model with RH support, so I ended up going the probe route. I'm also not interested in more expensive models - I think have a higher number of cheaper loggers is more useful for really understanding the behavior of a viv.

EDIT: I went back and noticed they do have a USB RH/Temp logger that you can drop in the viv - these may be better for spot checking random vivs here and there:
https://www.amazon.com/Elitech-Temperatu...B074DR6LJ2]]> Thu, 22 Oct 2026 20:17:50 -0500 Philsuma]]>
April's winner is Philsuma

Submit a Photo of the Month
We will choose a new winner and display the photo for 30 days.

I'd like to be able to write/re-write both of these fields occasionally - change the whole thing.]]>
April's winner is Philsuma

Submit a Photo of the Month
We will choose a new winner and display the photo for 30 days.

I'd like to be able to write/re-write both of these fields occasionally - change the whole thing.]]> https://www.dartden.com/thread-7351.html Fri, 08 May 2020 17:54:14 -0500 Philsuma]]> https://www.dartden.com/thread-7351.html
Water bottles, misters, sprayers, squirt bottles, big and small.

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Water bottles, misters, sprayers, squirt bottles, big and small.

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Very interesting !!!]]> http://www.novatecproducts.com/iceprobe.htm

Very interesting !!!]]> Thu, 22 Oct 2026 20:17:50 -0500 Philsuma]]>
Describe your overall dusting regimen to include products and frequency.

Also, pics are hugely important to make things easier for us to comment on.]]>
Describe your overall dusting regimen to include products and frequency.

Also, pics are hugely important to make things easier for us to comment on.]]> https://www.dartden.com/thread-7210.html Fri, 12 Jun 2015 09:23:09 -0500 Philsuma]]> https://www.dartden.com/thread-7210.html
Just rough estimates. Nothing scientific.]]>
Just rough estimates. Nothing scientific.]]> https://www.dartden.com/thread-7198.html Tue, 02 Jun 2015 13:49:05 -0500 Dendro_Dave]]> https://www.dartden.com/thread-7198.html . IF anyone wants to add other stats/feature lists for other lighting fixtures with similar functionality please feel free

I also offer a few thoughts, but in full disclosure have not seen/used the Currentusa Sat+PRO, Ecoxotic E-series, or Aquaticlife Edge. I do have a Finnex 24/7, and I have researched all 4 brands fairly extensively, but of course encourage everyone to do so for themselves and use their own judgement.

This thread is meant to serve mostly as an objective comparison of stats/feature rather then any type of review. No pics or videos in this first post (as of 6/2/2015) are mine so all credit goes to the creators of that stuff...

[COLOR="Purple"]So here we go...[/COLOR]

The E-series has a reflector and then there is some slight wattage and ACTUAL length differences. The Pro is cheaper, has 6500K whites and more RGBw that probably mean better color blending, and the E has 8000K whites with fewer RGBw's. Unsure if the 6500k vs 8000k make much difference since you can adjust the Kelvin with the RGBw's.

Haven't seen the lights in person so not sure if the wattage differences, reflector, number of RGBw in correlation to the 6500k Vs 8000k make much difference.

But here are the stats on each for reference...

[COLOR="Red"]Sat + PRO[/COLOR]

Model Fits Aquariums Dimensions Watts LEDs
4010 18" - 24" 16.8 x 3.5 x 0.44 [COLOR="red"]20 Watts[/COLOR] 14-6500K/6-RGBW, 20 LEDs total

4011 24" - 36" 22.8 x 3.5 x 0.44 [COLOR="red"]30 Watts[/COLOR] 20-6500K/9-RGBW, 29 LEDs total

4012 36" - 48" 34.8 x 3.5 x 0.44 [COLOR="red"]45 Watts[/COLOR] 30-6500K/14-RGBW, 44 LEDs total

4013 48" - 60" 46.8 x 3.5 x 0.44 [COLOR="red"]60 Watts[/COLOR] 40-6500K/20-RGBW, 60 LEDs total

Read more: Satellite Freshwater LED+ Pro | Current-USA

A few videos..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_Y_A719fik
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLHhx87sKE8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXWbLGARx3I
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[COLOR="red"]E-Series[/COLOR]

(Note: The E-series starts at 12.5" while the Pro starts at 16.8", but there is only a 4watt difference either way, and the 12" E-series is a little cheaper then the pro, so it is a judgement call skipping to the next size of E- series for a more direct comparison. If you don't mind the fixture being a bit shorter then the tank and possibly needing to raise it to get coverage the 12" E might be for you)
9400: 12.5” x 2” x 1”, [COLOR="red"]16 Watts[/COLOR], 8 Daylight 8,000K/2 RGB LEDs, 10 LEDs total

9401: 18.5” x 2” x 1”, [COLOR="red"]24 Watts[/COLOR], 10 Daylight 8,000K/4 RGB LEDs, 14 LEDs total
9402: 24.5” x 2” x 1”, [COLOR="red"]32 Watts[/COLOR], 16 Daylight 8,000K/4 RGB LEDs, 20 LEDs total
9403: 36.5” x 2” x 1”, [COLOR="red"]46 Watts,[/COLOR] 24 Daylight 8,000K/6 RGB LEDs, 30 LEDs total
9404: 48.5” x 2” x 1”, [COLOR="red"]56 Watts[/COLOR],32 Daylight 8,000K/8 RGB LEDs, 40 LEDs total

Read more: E-Series Full Spectrum LED

A few videos...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYJTOdpVjQ0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjx8dikw_hM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aemk44S_RoQ
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[COLOR="Blue"][COLOR="Red"]And the Finnex...[/COLOR][/COLOR]


Chart of dawn/dusk cycle and PAR at 7.5" from user Mattinmd (He also created the 3rd video, so special thanks/mention to him for both!)

The Planted Tank Forum - View Single Post - Finnex Planted+ 24/7

A few videos...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw05kEdgBh4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJsYweqNtig
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J10MIv4YIXI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFRR_w5FOhA

Read more here:
http://www.finnex.net/index.php/planteda...re=default

Basically it seems the Finnex isn't quite as powerful, and not quite as adjustable as the other 2 lights mentioned so far, but it adds the colored dawn/dusk FX, is super easy to set the 24/7 mode, and offers automated dawn/dusk FX in a considerably cheaper light, that still has respectable intensity compared to the other 2. Looks like it works out to about 75-80% the power of the E-series or Sat+PRO, and still get an automated light at 50% or less the price.

You are kinda stuck with the pre programmed 24/7 color/intensity settings if you want the dawn/dusk mode, where as I think you can adjust the intensity of the sat Pro or E-series dawn/dusk cycle, but what you loose in customization, I think will be made up for by price for a lot of people.
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[COLOR="Red"]The Aquaticlife Edge[/COLOR]
Now here is the dark horse, well I call it that because it is the light I've heard/know the least about... .


LED Aquarium Lighting | Aquatic Life EDGE LED Fixtures
Or...
[url="http://www.amazon.com/Aquatic-Life-Aquarium-Fixture-48-Inch/dp/B00H3Y4YQ2"]Amazon.com : Aquatic Life LED Aquarium Light Fixture, 48-Inch : Pet Supplies[/url]

Here are it's stats:
(NOTE: Two sets of wattages are listed, and there is a big discrepancy between the two listed for the 36" 48w consumed vs 60w total power...
[COLOR="Blue"]24"[/COLOR], [COLOR="Magenta"]36w (30[/COLOR]W) (Mfg# 420284), CD-87801, $129.99 ,[COLOR="Red"] On sale $103.99[/COLOR]
[COLOR="blue"]36"[/COLOR], [COLOR="magenta"] 60w (48W)[/COLOR] (Mfg# 420285), CD-87802, $149.99 , [COLOR="red"] On sale $127.99[/COLOR]
[COLOR="blue"]48"[/COLOR], [COLOR="magenta"]72w (71W)[/COLOR] (Mfg# 420286), CD-87803, [COLOR="red"]$174.99[/COLOR]

Newest version of this light includes a battery backup which is an important feature, and I'm unsure how the other lights mentioned in this thread handle power outages.

A few videos...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XH_i5Rej20g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypC1Q4CJd20
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1URcIBQ-Wns

Read more here:
http://www.aquaticlife.com/light-fixtures/edge-led

So the Aquaticlife Edge light seems to give up some of the presets and the colored dawn/dusk (which may be a pro or con), and adds about $20-$40 in cost over the Finnex, but still less then the Sat+PRO/E-series, and has that battery backup now.

Looks like it kinda fills the niche between the Finnex 24/7 and the Sat+PRO and E-series. This might be a good option for those who just don't want the colored dawn/dusk FX of the 24/7 (which I actually really like) and prefer something more traditional, at the cost of giving up some preset modes and adjustable colors, while still saving $$$ over a Sat+PRO or E-series.

I have certain needs/wants and no loyalty to Finnex, CurrentUSA, Ecoxotic, or AquaticLife, and will probably try all 4 brands over the next few months; assuming the brand that works best for me is still available, I'll go mostly with that light for most of my vivariums... but so far I'm really liking the Finnex 24/7 for the features/price, but I think any of these lights will probably serve my purposes ]]> . IF anyone wants to add other stats/feature lists for other lighting fixtures with similar functionality please feel free

I also offer a few thoughts, but in full disclosure have not seen/used the Currentusa Sat+PRO, Ecoxotic E-series, or Aquaticlife Edge. I do have a Finnex 24/7, and I have researched all 4 brands fairly extensively, but of course encourage everyone to do so for themselves and use their own judgement.

This thread is meant to serve mostly as an objective comparison of stats/feature rather then any type of review. No pics or videos in this first post (as of 6/2/2015) are mine so all credit goes to the creators of that stuff...

[COLOR="Purple"]So here we go...[/COLOR]

The E-series has a reflector and then there is some slight wattage and ACTUAL length differences. The Pro is cheaper, has 6500K whites and more RGBw that probably mean better color blending, and the E has 8000K whites with fewer RGBw's. Unsure if the 6500k vs 8000k make much difference since you can adjust the Kelvin with the RGBw's.

Haven't seen the lights in person so not sure if the wattage differences, reflector, number of RGBw in correlation to the 6500k Vs 8000k make much difference.

But here are the stats on each for reference...

[COLOR="Red"]Sat + PRO[/COLOR]

Model Fits Aquariums Dimensions Watts LEDs
4010 18" - 24" 16.8 x 3.5 x 0.44 [COLOR="red"]20 Watts[/COLOR] 14-6500K/6-RGBW, 20 LEDs total

4011 24" - 36" 22.8 x 3.5 x 0.44 [COLOR="red"]30 Watts[/COLOR] 20-6500K/9-RGBW, 29 LEDs total

4012 36" - 48" 34.8 x 3.5 x 0.44 [COLOR="red"]45 Watts[/COLOR] 30-6500K/14-RGBW, 44 LEDs total

4013 48" - 60" 46.8 x 3.5 x 0.44 [COLOR="red"]60 Watts[/COLOR] 40-6500K/20-RGBW, 60 LEDs total

Read more: Satellite Freshwater LED+ Pro | Current-USA

A few videos..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E_Y_A719fik
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WLHhx87sKE8
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXWbLGARx3I
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[COLOR="red"]E-Series[/COLOR]

(Note: The E-series starts at 12.5" while the Pro starts at 16.8", but there is only a 4watt difference either way, and the 12" E-series is a little cheaper then the pro, so it is a judgement call skipping to the next size of E- series for a more direct comparison. If you don't mind the fixture being a bit shorter then the tank and possibly needing to raise it to get coverage the 12" E might be for you)
9400: 12.5” x 2” x 1”, [COLOR="red"]16 Watts[/COLOR], 8 Daylight 8,000K/2 RGB LEDs, 10 LEDs total

9401: 18.5” x 2” x 1”, [COLOR="red"]24 Watts[/COLOR], 10 Daylight 8,000K/4 RGB LEDs, 14 LEDs total
9402: 24.5” x 2” x 1”, [COLOR="red"]32 Watts[/COLOR], 16 Daylight 8,000K/4 RGB LEDs, 20 LEDs total
9403: 36.5” x 2” x 1”, [COLOR="red"]46 Watts,[/COLOR] 24 Daylight 8,000K/6 RGB LEDs, 30 LEDs total
9404: 48.5” x 2” x 1”, [COLOR="red"]56 Watts[/COLOR],32 Daylight 8,000K/8 RGB LEDs, 40 LEDs total

Read more: E-Series Full Spectrum LED

A few videos...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYJTOdpVjQ0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjx8dikw_hM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aemk44S_RoQ
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[COLOR="Blue"][COLOR="Red"]And the Finnex...[/COLOR][/COLOR]


Chart of dawn/dusk cycle and PAR at 7.5" from user Mattinmd (He also created the 3rd video, so special thanks/mention to him for both!)

The Planted Tank Forum - View Single Post - Finnex Planted+ 24/7

A few videos...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sw05kEdgBh4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UJsYweqNtig
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J10MIv4YIXI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JFRR_w5FOhA

Read more here:
http://www.finnex.net/index.php/planteda...re=default

Basically it seems the Finnex isn't quite as powerful, and not quite as adjustable as the other 2 lights mentioned so far, but it adds the colored dawn/dusk FX, is super easy to set the 24/7 mode, and offers automated dawn/dusk FX in a considerably cheaper light, that still has respectable intensity compared to the other 2. Looks like it works out to about 75-80% the power of the E-series or Sat+PRO, and still get an automated light at 50% or less the price.

You are kinda stuck with the pre programmed 24/7 color/intensity settings if you want the dawn/dusk mode, where as I think you can adjust the intensity of the sat Pro or E-series dawn/dusk cycle, but what you loose in customization, I think will be made up for by price for a lot of people.
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[COLOR="Red"]The Aquaticlife Edge[/COLOR]
Now here is the dark horse, well I call it that because it is the light I've heard/know the least about... .


LED Aquarium Lighting | Aquatic Life EDGE LED Fixtures
Or...
[url="http://www.amazon.com/Aquatic-Life-Aquarium-Fixture-48-Inch/dp/B00H3Y4YQ2"]Amazon.com : Aquatic Life LED Aquarium Light Fixture, 48-Inch : Pet Supplies[/url]

Here are it's stats:
(NOTE: Two sets of wattages are listed, and there is a big discrepancy between the two listed for the 36" 48w consumed vs 60w total power...
[COLOR="Blue"]24"[/COLOR], [COLOR="Magenta"]36w (30[/COLOR]W) (Mfg# 420284), CD-87801, $129.99 ,[COLOR="Red"] On sale $103.99[/COLOR]
[COLOR="blue"]36"[/COLOR], [COLOR="magenta"] 60w (48W)[/COLOR] (Mfg# 420285), CD-87802, $149.99 , [COLOR="red"] On sale $127.99[/COLOR]
[COLOR="blue"]48"[/COLOR], [COLOR="magenta"]72w (71W)[/COLOR] (Mfg# 420286), CD-87803, [COLOR="red"]$174.99[/COLOR]

Newest version of this light includes a battery backup which is an important feature, and I'm unsure how the other lights mentioned in this thread handle power outages.

A few videos...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XH_i5Rej20g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ypC1Q4CJd20
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1URcIBQ-Wns

Read more here:
http://www.aquaticlife.com/light-fixtures/edge-led

So the Aquaticlife Edge light seems to give up some of the presets and the colored dawn/dusk (which may be a pro or con), and adds about $20-$40 in cost over the Finnex, but still less then the Sat+PRO/E-series, and has that battery backup now.

Looks like it kinda fills the niche between the Finnex 24/7 and the Sat+PRO and E-series. This might be a good option for those who just don't want the colored dawn/dusk FX of the 24/7 (which I actually really like) and prefer something more traditional, at the cost of giving up some preset modes and adjustable colors, while still saving $$$ over a Sat+PRO or E-series.

I have certain needs/wants and no loyalty to Finnex, CurrentUSA, Ecoxotic, or AquaticLife, and will probably try all 4 brands over the next few months; assuming the brand that works best for me is still available, I'll go mostly with that light for most of my vivariums... but so far I'm really liking the Finnex 24/7 for the features/price, but I think any of these lights will probably serve my purposes ]]> https://www.dartden.com/thread-7085.html Sun, 15 Mar 2015 13:26:24 -0500 Philsuma]]> https://www.dartden.com/thread-7085.html https://www.dartden.com/thread-7020.html Sat, 24 Jan 2015 17:39:32 -0600 Hydromaestro]]> https://www.dartden.com/thread-7020.html
http://www.mistking.com/Jungle-Hobbies- ... ystem.html

Ive seen the YouTube videos and they look amazing. Im just not sure if it would be enough or if it would be overkill. The tank is 20 gallong long I believe. Im willing to drop the cash on a nice lighting system just want to make sure I invest in the right one. The tank is going to be for dart frogs im just not sure yet as to which ones not sure if that matters
Thanks in advance! ]]>
http://www.mistking.com/Jungle-Hobbies- ... ystem.html

Ive seen the YouTube videos and they look amazing. Im just not sure if it would be enough or if it would be overkill. The tank is 20 gallong long I believe. Im willing to drop the cash on a nice lighting system just want to make sure I invest in the right one. The tank is going to be for dart frogs im just not sure yet as to which ones not sure if that matters
Thanks in advance! ]]>