Salt Creek AKA Green and Orange Oophaga pumilio

[RichFrye]

Pope Island Pum.
About 15mm vent to snout.

[Jordan_B]

They are not smaller than solarte, they are smaller than Salt Creek.......

:oops: Grr, I think it's going to take some getting used to! That popa is very cool Rich.

[RichFrye]

Hey Jordan,
That's OK. At least you are not calling some of these newer imports Cayo de Aquas as I have seen recently.
It never ends......
I guess I am just too much of a dumbass to look at a pum and tell you exactly where it came from without any previous info.

[geckguy]

That cayo de agua debacle in one of the dumbest things I have seen on DB recently, it appears to be soley based on the fact that the second type of green frogs were from a diff. locale., and thus needed a diff. name, and that they looked like cayo de aguas.

[RichFrye]

Close Jacob,
It seems the debacle is based solely on the fact that the frogs look different from some other green frogs brought in for the past couple years. How does anyone know they are from a different local?
They happen to look closest to the Cayo de Aquas I am working with.
Anyone into cars? Know what a clone is? Know what would happen if you tried to pass off a clone at Barrett Jackson as an original?????


Rich

[geckguy]

Exactly, I know what happened, just couldn't write it.

But as far as selling these as cayo de aguas, that is blatant false advertising, especially when they do not have any realiable data to back their claim up, besides the fact that they look like cayo de aguas.

[Kerickson978]

So.... just to add another picture to the topic to "increase sample size" :wink: these two pictures were taken of wild salt creek pumilio by me on the island of Bastimentos (of course) in Panama, while I was on a two month long research trip specifically about pumilio in the summer of 2009. these are two different frogs that were captured over 300+ meters apart.. and let me tell you... where we were finding these frogs they were very very scarce... in an entire day looking we only found three individuals.





Enjoy.

[Philsuma]

Why were they scarce.... habitat destruction ?

I've heard that Red Frog beach is being massively built up, with condos and beach houses ect.

[Kerickson978]

Honestly, we were unsure of the real reason. the habitat looked fine and there was no construction in the area. The thing that we did learn though in another area that showed similar frog densities in a place it should be loaded was the locals were thinking we were going there to collect the frogs. they said that there was someone in only a few weeks earlier that paid the locals to catch hundreds of them in a plastic crate then bought them from the people for below dirt cheap. so we thought that the area where we were in salt creek may have suffered the same. since the locals were also hinting on it.

[Philsuma]

Bastimentos
This particular morph was the first well established pumilio hobby import here in the U.S. (1990's). There are at least three major locales for this frog, some of which should not be mixed.

The Polymorphic 'Cemetery' locale can be mixed, no matter what color phase. But the "Red frog beach “locale should not be mixed with 'Cemetery' locales, and the Salt creek locale should also not be mixed with any other basti locale (Tranquilo Bay).

In summary:

Cemetery Locale - Polymorphic, MAY be Mixed.

Red Frog Beach Locale - Should NOT be Mixed.

Salt Creek Locale - Should NOT be Mixed with any other Basti morph.

[Philsuma]

bumpage....

[Lady Bullseye]

Thanks Phil!

[Philsuma]

my pleasure.....now to erase my bump so as not to arouse...ire