Color Temperatures for Bulbs

[Philsuma]

^^ I wonder too. While I observed a lot of pumilio and auratus in @ a 10 day period of time, I hardly consider that a study or a survey, but yeah, I never saw them bask. The auratus absolutely never came out unless it was overcast, drizzle or real high humidity.

but

I put that 65watt Flood light on the Basti grow out tank and I'm about as certain as I can be that it's behaviour changed drastically and it showed all signs of actually basking in that bright light.

Definite need for more lighting experimentation in the hobby.

[RichFrye]

A friend of mine , Fernando, on the Panama border with his daughter in the middle of the day. Looking for spiders , dart frogs, and a jaguar near his house, with a flashlight. I love his daughter's climbing shoes.
I wonder what color the flash is , because there ain't no light making it down there. Anybody's viv look like that?

[RichFrye]

^ Not raining , BTW.


Rich

[Venutus1]

I think the species and its natural history is also something that has to be considered.
I have variabilis that are strongly associated with broms, they court and breed in them.
And broms need light.
My little guys are not light shy at all.
So I would say (unless I am in need of being re-edukated ) that variabilis are pretty light loving darts.

It is not a topic that is a "one-size-fits-all" for sure!

Todd

[RichFrye]

I think the species and its natural history is also something that has to be considered.
I have variabilis that are strongly associated with broms, they court and breed in them.
And broms need light.
My little guys are not light shy at all.
So I would say (unless I am in need of being re-edukated ) that variabilis are pretty light loving darts.

It is not a topic that is a "one-size-fits-all" for sure!

Todd

Somewhat true. And broms need more airflow than light. Also, most tad rearing is done in low light plants, not broms.
The 'U' in UE stands for understory.
'We' tend to use WAY more light than found in most dart habitats, way.

Rich

[Venutus1]

Somewhat true. And broms need more airflow than light. Also, most tad rearing is done in low light plants, not broms.
The 'U' in UE stands for understory.
'We' tend to use WAY more light than found in most dart habitats, way.

Rich

Thanks Rich. Good insight.
BTW. I am using simple light timers at present to vary the light levels throughout the day, with lower light in morn and eve. And the highest lumens at 11 - 3 pm. on 2 set ups.

Both tanks are 18 x 18 x 24H
One contains Northern variabilis, One tank Southern.

I have been watching the frogs to see how it effects them, ie: their daily activity cycles and will report back.

Someone with multiple tanks of frogs of the same species should do a lighting study.
Sort of a Dr. Ott long term study with frogs instead of mice.
What set-up would produce the most offspring??

With and W/O UV...
With "full spectrum" flo. vs. something else...

Now that would be something to write home about!

Cheers.
Todd

[D3monic]

ok, I am going to try this post for a third time....better not lose it again.

My 75gal has had very nice brom coloration using two T5 bulbs (1 zoomed and one guiessman aquablue +)










I was going through my some pictures today for another thread and realized how bad my broms on the newer racks have lost color using 4x sylvania 6500k daylight T8 bulbs.
These thanks have only been set up for a few very short months

Before





After





Not to mention countless other broms that are now green on those racks. :oops:

Huge differance....does anyone have any suggestions for better 48" t8 bulbs?

[RichFrye]

Somewhat true. And broms need more airflow than light. Also, most tad rearing is done in low light plants, not broms.
The 'U' in UE stands for understory.
'We' tend to use WAY more light than found in most dart habitats, way.

Rich

Thanks Rich. Good insight.
Someone with multiple tanks of frogs of the same species should do a lighting study.
Sort of a Dr. Ott long term study with frogs instead of mice.
What set-up would produce the most offspring??

No problem.
I sort of have been, for years now. While far from scientific and quite anecdotal (anecdotal observation contributing about 99% of how we have built this hobby) I've found darts always pretty much prefer low or ambient light , with the exception of Black Jeans, which I believe to be a totally different species than pums. Lower light vivs have always produced more offspring , all things equal.
I've not done any UVB studies, partially because I have always had success without it. Partially because I'm not spending the huge amount of jing it would take for 60-70 large vivs...and growing.
A bit more info about light in my 'granny Breeding Tips' thread.

Rich

[RichFrye]

Unfortunately, more times than not, pertaining to lighting vivs, we cater to plants or we cater to darts. Again, most times you will not find darts hanging around the plants we have in our vivs, in the wild.

[D3monic]

ok, I am going to try this post for a third time....better not lose it again.

My 75gal has had very nice brom coloration using two T5 bulbs (1 zoomed and one guiessman aquablue +)










I was going through my some pictures today for another thread and realized how bad my broms on the newer racks have lost color using 4x sylvania 6500k daylight T8 bulbs.
These thanks have only been set up for a few very short months

Before





After





Not to mention countless other broms that are now green on those racks. :oops:

Huge differance....does anyone have any suggestions for better 48" t8 bulbs?

Bump ^^^ Any have any good suggestions for 48" T8 bulbs?

[Venutus1]

Bump ^^^ Any have any good suggestions for 48" T8 bulbs?

Zoo Med makes the Ulra Sun in a T-8.

If it is as good as the T-5 version... it might be worth a try.

I found you some at wholesale price if you wanted to try them. (I don't stock them in T-8, only T-5)

http://www.sears.com/shc/s/p_10153_1260 ... M256731452

Cheers.
Todd
http://www.lightyourreptiles.com.

[D3monic]

Thanks, I was looking at those and also the Tropic sun bulb.

[Philsuma]

and SEARS ! ?

[Venutus1]

Sears .?... I know!
That is not the only bazaar thing,
I can't figure out how they can do it selling for that 9.34 price????
Even if they are geting them at super cheap bulk price, a 48"+ cardboard box to send it still costs like 1.80.
Add in 1.00 in buble wrap / packing labor.
And then the "free" shipping would have to cost them at least 6.00 bucks.
Thats 8.80 give or take in added expenses if someone ordered just one $9.34 bulb.
Remember, that doesn't count the cost of the item.
Feak-O-nomics.

[Philsuma]

and THEN find a friend who works for Sears and has an employee discount, possibly......

wow.

[D3monic]

Hope that price holds until payday! Ok, quit clicking the link they might see the activity and up the price!

[Venutus1]

[quote="Azurel"]Yea LEDs are by and far the biggest source of "new" lighting being R&D'ed for hobbies. There has been a huge push in reefing towards LEDs and plasma. LED was where I was heading with my reef set-ups, would like to get into them for this if the fauna that we keep can grow and flourish. Not to mention the savings in electricity, a dollar in my pocket is better then putting it in the energy companies. Although Cree and a few other companies have been flowing out with new and more powerful LEDs. Although for the reefing hobby check out some of the new stuff in LEDs at ReefBuilders.com they have had post after post of new LED stuff.

When you get the LED set-ups make a new thread for them to keep us updated on how they do.....

I will post in Classifieds some goodies soon. :mrgreen:

Todd
www.LightYourReptiles.com
LightYourReptiles@yahoo.com