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frogfreak Wrote:Stu&Shaz Wrote:Right there in your post is something i haven't come across,the mouth rot caused by high protien in the initial feeding,now we have the cyclops i will stay away from the fish flake for the first week,prevention better than cure!
I don't think they got mouth rot because of the protein level. I think it was because I fed to early, the flake started to get moldy and it was transferred to the Tad. That's my thoughts, anyways...It's a lot easier to feed them a tiny amount of Cylop-eeze as it doesn't tend to get moldy or foul the water. I'm sure other things would work too, but flake food seems to get gross fast. We wait 3-4 days before their first feeding. Something that was passed along to us and has been working well. 8)
Best ahh becoming clearer Glen what i would say is we don't feed that much at first and probably not for 3/4 days after hatch,as i am under the impression that they are still feeding on the yolk during this period(please correct if wrong,anyone),coupled with i always chuck in bit of pond weed, Elodea,(primarily for oygenation) so there should be a bit of algea to graze on if, they are peckish...childhood habits die hard!! I keep the pondweed in a bucket in the greenhouse where it gets tonnes of light,so it has a tiny amount of algae growing on it pre tad usage.
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Philsuma Wrote:I think the mouth fungus (white-ish) is indicative of a larger problem area - possibly the body cavity and expressing thru / around the mouth.
High Protein diet has been referred to as a possible cause. hey mate thanks for the imput,now know what symptoms to look for too!
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Philsuma Wrote:There are algae and spirulina fish flakes too...not all Fish Food is protein based. am aware of these Phil,what is your regime for newly hatched tads?
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Nothing hard and fast, Stu....I wing it and feed most stuff spirulina / algae flakes and the occasional "Tad Bite" - what we have commercially available over here. Then's there the tiny bit of Java moss. I only feed 2 times a week or so...maybe 3.
and always....an indian almond slice leaf for the tads to scrape and eat "biofilm" off of and then actually chew the leaf (Very Important IMO).
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Philsuma Wrote:Nothing hard and fast, Stu....I wing it and feed most stuff spirulina / algae flakes and the occasional "Tad Bite" - what we have commercially available over here. Then's there the tiny bit of Java moss. I only feed 2 times a week or so...maybe 3.
and always....an indian almond slice leaf for the tads to scrape and eat "biofilm" off of and then actually chew the leaf (Very Important IMO). thanks kiddo would oak leaves sufice or ...its sounds like you are very particular with regards to Almond...why? Also mate what are the drawbacks to feeding tads too much/often,as what Beth and Glen indicated,is water fouling the only drawback,or is there something else i am missing? I apreciate that in nature some dart tads would have megre rations,some not,depending on the pool they were deposited in,and the micro flora/fauna in said pool,but it always strikes me that with the myriad of life in a rainforest that pools of water would not stand deviod of life for long,
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Overfeeding and high protein spurs rapid growth which is not good and may even contribute to problems later on.
You're right about tadpole food availability in the wild. Sometimes they get some good eats...other times, the water hole is sparse. That's why they should not get big food portions often, IMO.
Oak leaves should work "OK"...but Indian Almond is better IMO - because of the tannins. Helps the water too and wards of fungus.
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Philsuma Wrote:Overfeeding and high protein spurs rapid growth which is not good and may even contribute to problems later on.
You're right about tadpole food availability in the wild. Sometimes they get some good eats...other times, the water hole is sparse. That's why they should not get big food portions often, IMO.
Oak leaves should work "OK"...but Indian Almond is better IMO - because of the tannins. Helps the water too and wards of fungus. ok following the wild senario,for aguements sake a tad is deposited in a water body,life will be there and said tad eats well early,then starts to exhaust food supply so lean times ahead. With the obvious caveat that we feed little very early,first few days as tad doesn't need it,i wonder if there might be benefits to getting the tad big and strong fairly quick and then backing off. Phil as you possibly know i have breed alot of birds: poutry waterfowl and game,both as a hobby and professionally,we tailor their diets to mirror (to some extent) a natural diet,some stages lower protien are beneficial,other stages high protien is what is requied,i am curious as like with birds higher protien early and then more of a plant based/algal diet later might just be a really good thing.one would get the tad away from being a baby quick,which i summise is a dangerous time(very young stock is always fragile) and then slow the growth down somewhat to reach metamorph at around the reuired time frame,is that a sound theory or frought with danger. I know its a bit off the wall but i think about many things using this kind of logic,very much so where stock/animals are concearned.
Are Almond leaves higher in tannins than oakleaves ? I presume this is a cross over from fish keeping the use of almond leaves?
are the tannins reponsible for mould suppresant?
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Stu&Shaz Wrote:Philsuma Wrote:Are Almond leaves higher in tannins than oakleaves ? I presume this is a cross over from fish keeping the use of almond leaves?
are the tannins responsible for mold suppressant?
Stu
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