Cycling Darts for breeding,and the opposite

[RichFrye]

Phil knows exactly what the "failure" reference is referring to.

When a tank is set up with proper husbandry pretty much each and every healthy darts we have in our hobby today should breed if you have a pair. These frogs are easy, easy to get to breed. If they are not breeding after a few seasons ( or year after year after year...) you are doing something wrong (husbandry) or the frogs are unhealthy (husbandry by either you or the breeder or a combo) . Not breeding is not a natural state to attempt to keep these frogs in. It's that simple. Thus, when we all hear of tales of mixers who have 'successfully' kept their mixes without any breeding we are glad no hybrids were produced, but call the husbandry end of the mixed tank a huge , giant, lucky with bad husbandry failure.

The absolute reccomended time period for cycling down would optimally be exactly the season in which the darts naturally cycle down. The dry season period. The dry season varries from area to area in temps, time, durration, ect. research is needed to find what's best for one's own personal darts.

[Philsuma]

lol...I do now,with your help. I guess the "tank failure" is the jellyman mixed tank. I forgot about a lot of those older mixing threads.

Kristi - You are asking if it's possible to keep dart frogs in such a manner as to negate any and all breeding. Impossible unless, as above, you eliminate a sex from the equation.

There is no human manipulation that will prevent breeding unless you suffer the animals thru humidity that is way too dry or barely feed them and that's unhealthy and immoral.

[guppygal]

Yeppers, I've been reading. I never did find the thread where Rich dismantled his 'experiment'. I've seen all of my frogs go thru their courting rituals, and I'm hoping that with the frogs I have left, I'll end up with imi's, and pums in addition to my auratus. My auratus are sneaky breeders - they'll lay a clutch for me to take, and then they'll lay another clutch elsewhere in the tank where daddy gets to transport the tad. I'm thinking that most breeders (not you, Rich) pull the eggs so that they can be monitored, etc. So, do you think mom n pop are wondering where the kids are? Doubtful. But, the question is that we stress the right amount of humidity for breeding frogs, but do we also stress some down time to limit breeding? I'm sure that the casual hobbyist will encounter eggs at one time or another. If there is no water feature, what happens next? Especially if they have tincs? How about the hobbyist who keeps a single frog? Is it doomed?

Hey, y'all let me know when I'm bugging you too much, and I'll give you some 'down-time'

[guppygal]

I'm thinking that most breeders (not you, Rich) pull the eggs so that they can be monitored, etc.

Hey, Rich? I hope I didn't offend you with this remark. I'm quite aware that you work mainly with obligates and maybe some other egg-feeders, so I doubt you baby-sit any eggs. I just wanted to clarify ~

[RichFrye]

... I never did find the thread where Rich dismantled his 'experiment'...

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... If there is no water feature, what happens next? Especially if they have tincs?...

If there is misting at all , and any topographical variance and leaf litter ( other proper husbandry needed as well) there is slim chance there is not enough water to morph dart tads. You would be VERY surprised at just how little water it takes. Sometimes not even enough to cover the tad...
I have zero "water features" in any of my vivs, and yet tincs, terribilis, thumbs and obviously all the obligates do just fine and have ALL morphed offspring in-viv.

[RichFrye]

I'm thinking that most breeders (not you, Rich) pull the eggs so that they can be monitored, etc.

Hey, Rich? I hope I didn't offend you with this remark. I'm quite aware that you work mainly with obligates and maybe some other egg-feeders, so I doubt you baby-sit any eggs. I just wanted to clarify ~

No offence taken.