Atelopus spumarius info of interest

[Stu&Shaz]

I know some members are custodians of cirtain Atelopus so thought this would be worth knowing of,i don't know if A. spumarius barboratini (sp?) is stateside.I have not fully read everything here,just thought i'd pop a link up,before i continue with my homework
regards
Stu

[Philsuma]

where's the link, laddie ?

Are you just askin' for info, Stu ?

[Stu&Shaz]

where's the link, laddie ?

Are you just askin' for info, Stu ?

I'm ruddy hopless it came out over here i checked try again
http://www.anuren.de/index.php?option=c ... &Itemid=28
Stu

[Rusty_Shackleford]

I wish we could do something like that here in the states. A cooperation between zoos and private breeders would help the frogs. Stu, years ago when I kept cichlids I was able to participate in something like this. The John G. Shedd Aquarium here in Chicago, gave our local cichlid club some rare and endangred Lake Victoria cichlids to raise and breed. At the end of one year they collected all the off spring and flew them back to Africa to be released into Lake Victoria. I wish there were more cases like this of hobbyists actually being able to help conservation efforts first hand. I was very proud. There is nothing better than feeling like you actually helped make a difference in the world.

[Stu&Shaz]

I wish we could do something like that here in the states. A cooperation between zoos and private breeders would help the frogs. Stu, years ago when I kept cichlids I was able to participate in something like this. The John G. Shedd Aquarium here in Chicago, gave our local cichlid club some rare and endangred Lake Victoria cichlids to raise and breed. At the end of one year they collected all the off spring and flew them back to Africa to be released into Lake Victoria. I wish there were more cases like this of hobbyists actually being able to help conservation efforts first hand. I was very proud. There is nothing better than feeling like you actually helped make a difference in the world.

God knows if projects like yours will ever happen again, the risk of introducing something unwanted,weighs heavy on the minds of folks running these programmes,today i feel. That said i'm sure there is a place for co-operation between zoos and specialist keepers,there is just so much knowledge aquired within the hobby. Its quite funny here reading in a national newspapaer that some zoo has just bred tricolors or similar and a big deal is made of it,(and in no way is that meant to demean these wonderful so called beginners frogs!!!)
As this is all happening in German speaking countries i don't know if we brits will be able to participate ,but its worth a shot,i have no knowledge of similar schemes here ,but do get to talk occasionally with a keeper,at one of the best uk zoo's
Jon,what a fantastic project to be part of,your pride is totally justified,good for you mate!!
Stu

[Philsuma]

http://www.atelopus.com/

[BluePumilio]

Did any of them actually get released? I was a large part of similar efforts and I thought everyone agreed it would be harmful for releasing pre-Nile Perch genetics back into the lake?

Either way, nice to see another cichlid hobbyist.

I wish we could do something like that here in the states. A cooperation between zoos and private breeders would help the frogs. Stu, years ago when I kept cichlids I was able to participate in something like this. The John G. Shedd Aquarium here in Chicago, gave our local cichlid club some rare and endangred Lake Victoria cichlids to raise and breed. At the end of one year they collected all the off spring and flew them back to Africa to be released into Lake Victoria. I wish there were more cases like this of hobbyists actually being able to help conservation efforts first hand. I was very proud. There is nothing better than feeling like you actually helped make a difference in the world.

[BluePumilio]

I know some will be next year.

I know some members are custodians of cirtain Atelopus so thought this would be worth knowing of,i don't know if A. spumarius barboratini (sp?) is stateside.I have not fully read everything here,just thought i'd pop a link up,before i continue with my homework
regards
Stu

[Rusty_Shackleford]

Did any of them actually get released? I was a large part of similar efforts and I thought everyone agreed it would be harmful for releasing pre-Nile Perch genetics back into the lake?

Either way, nice to see another cichlid hobbyist.

I wish we could do something like that here in the states. A cooperation between zoos and private breeders would help the frogs. Stu, years ago when I kept cichlids I was able to participate in something like this. The John G. Shedd Aquarium here in Chicago, gave our local cichlid club some rare and endangred Lake Victoria cichlids to raise and breed. At the end of one year they collected all the off spring and flew them back to Africa to be released into Lake Victoria. I wish there were more cases like this of hobbyists actually being able to help conservation efforts first hand. I was very proud. There is nothing better than feeling like you actually helped make a difference in the world.

As far as I know the fish were flown back to Africa and released. The program was run through the Shedd Aquarium so I'm sure they knew what they were doing. But this was awhile ago, probably about 1992 -1993.
I'm a long time cichlid nut. Mostly rift lake stuff, but I like my fair share of central americans too.

[Chuck Lawson]

(Another old-time cichlid breeder de-lurking here...) That's pretty much the way I remember it too -- they got a fairly large population of domestically-bred Victorians together, but when it came down to it there was a lot of disagreement about whether reintroduction was a good idea after all... Kind of a "two wrongs don't necessarily make a right" thing.

[Chuck Lawson]

As far as I know the fish were flown back to Africa and released. The program was run through the Shedd Aquarium so I'm sure they knew what they were doing. But this was awhile ago, probably about 1992 -1993.
I'm a long time cichlid nut. Mostly rift lake stuff, but I like my fair share of central americans too.

Whoops, should have waited a second to post :-) I pretty much got out of cichlids in the late 80's; if they did a reintroduction in the 90's, I'd have probably missed it.

[Stu&Shaz]

I know some will be next year.

I know some members are custodians of cirtain Atelopus so thought this would be worth knowing of,i don't know if A. spumarius barboratini (sp?) is stateside.I have not fully read everything here,just thought i'd pop a link up,before i continue with my homework
regards
Stu

Good news Justin,from suriname? do these require the same circumstances and difficulties with breeding as A.hoogmoedi?
Stu

[BluePumilio]

Yes, from Suriname. I'm working on bringing in PAIRS and small groups of 3-4 different species. I could guess yet would have similar problems, but I also assume that once we figure then out, they won't be too difficult,