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Taking the next step...
#1
As I approach my second year keeping frogs, I've begun to think more about advancing my knowledge and experiences. While I love the frogs I have and would not part with them for the world, I'd like to start thinking about other species to work with. I know some people think of tincs, auratus, etc. as beginner frogs, to me they are just as valuable as obligates. I'm interested in working with some more obscure/underrated/under represented frogs in the hobby. Perhaps frogs in the Ameerega, Adelphobates, genus. This is not a short term goal as I will not have the funds to purchase any of these frogs at Frog Day, but I want to start researching them so I can care for them properly. So which species need help?
Jon
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#2
Jon,

Congratulations for even 'calling it the next step'. That's important in my book, because it shows you are not satisfied with your current level of experience and...want to do so much more. A natural progression for serious and responsible hobbyists, I would think.

I often think about working with a hard to breed or seldom seen species for my next hobby incarnation / start up....we'll see.

I think you are going to come away from Frog Day 2012 with ALL your questions answered and maybe even the actual animals you seek or at least a lead on who has the exact one's you want to acquire. Meeting and talking with all manner of fellow hobbyists, even in a short 1-2 day time period will take care of all that.

I'll bet a beer on it.
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Philsuma Wrote:Jon,

Congratulations for even 'calling it the next step'. That's important in my book, because it shows you are not satisfied with your current level of experience and...want to do so much more. A natural progression for serious and responsible hobbyists, I would think.

I often think about working with a hard to breed or seldom seen species for my next hobby incarnation / start up....we'll see.

I think you are going to come away from Frog Day 2012 with ALL your questions answered and maybe even the actual animals you seek or at least a lead on who has the exact one's you want to acquire. Meeting and talking with all manner of fellow hobbyists, even in a short 1-2 day time period will take care of all that.

I'll bet a beer on it.

I'm not satisfied Phil. Like I said I love the frogs I have now, and I don't consider them "beginner frogs" I hate that stigma, that tag. But I want to reach further and grow. I'll BUY you a beer at Frog Day 2012 and we'll talk about it.
Jon
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#4
Count me in and I'll buy the beer. Maybe I'll bring some real beer. :lol:
Glenn
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#5
Deal!!! That was a pretty easy sale Glenn.
Jon
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#6
Cool! Will this do? :wink:


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Glenn
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#7
Heck ya!! I'm getting thirsty already thinking about a real Canadian Molson
Jon
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#8
I kinda wish I'd have posted earlier, Jon, given Phil's reply, but i was having a rather large fight with a bath...lets not go there,other than to say the plumber :lol: was not at fault. Jon let's just say i'm hellish interested in species specific's you get from this thread. i know i want unobtainium always have, but the reply's the reasoning and what folks come up with will be fascinating
Damn i can't believe you got Glen buying the beer :roll: ,its really hard visiting you guys in webland sometimes!!
I am in total agreement about the beginner frogs,mind lets face it they are some of the most beautiful and some of the most enchanting, thanks for this thread
Stu
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Stu&Shaz Wrote:Damn i can't believe you got Glen buying the beer :roll: ,its really hard visiting you guys in webland sometimes!!
LOL Stu Tongue

Jon, I tend to like the larger frogs too and I don't care for the "rookie" label either... Our first frogs were Leucs. I have a lot of Tincs. Blue bronze and Campana Auratus as well. We picked up some Vittatus about 2 years ago and they fantastic frogs to keep! Next on the list is The recently imported Truncatus and Huallaga canyon Trivs. I was able to see the Trivs at UE's table once and the green stripes are almost neon!! Confusedhock: Stunning frogs!

Cheers
Glenn
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#10
Stu, I'm sure your plumbing abilities are far superior to mine as I would probably have water gushing from the drain.
I have to buy Glenn a few beers too. He's already gone far beyond being helpful in bringing a painting to Frog Day, for that he has my eternal gratitude. I wish you could attend Frog Day my friend, I'd love to buy you a beer as well. I'll be taking notes about species and I'll be sure to share any info with you.

Glenn, I do owe you some beers. I plan on bringing some local beer from the best Micro-brew in Chicago. Goose Island Brewery. Before you ask, no it's not made from goose shit lol. Maybe tincs, leucs, get a bad name from being the first frogs in the hobby. I know a few froggers that only keep tincs, I don't think there is anything wrong with that. There are lots of frogs that I'm interested in that I've never seen in person. Frog keeping much like life is a learning experience, I've had my share of successes and failures and I want to build on that.
Jon
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#11
You guys are bringing the beer, I'm bringing the old no.7...

I think it's sad how some people think less of others if their collection isn't on par with their own, like it's some sort of competition to them... sad, sad, sad.

I like dart frogs...big darts, small darts, colorful darts, bland darts, rare darts, common darts, ect, ect,ect.

To me it's not about what you have, it's about the love you have, for what you have...

I say, if you like it, work with it...because after all it's your hobby.


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Rusty_Shackleford Wrote:I plan on bringing some local beer from the best Micro-brew in Chicago. Goose Island Brewery. Before you ask, no it's not made from goose shit lol.

Unfortunately, ever since Anheuser-Busch bought out Goose Island, who knows what's in it now. What I wouldn't give for an old 312 brewed in Chicago and not in New York...

Check out some of the epipedobates species. I think they're really underrated - interesting behavior and a nice call.
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#13
Jon, I though you were going with some red lehmanni as your next frogs Wink
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Some frogs...
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#14
I will if it's on your dime Field Tongue
Jon
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Rusty_Shackleford Wrote:Stu, I'm sure your plumbing abilities are far superior to mine as I would probably have water gushing from the drain.
I have to buy Glenn a few beers too. He's already gone far beyond being helpful in bringing a painting to Frog Day, for that he has my eternal gratitude. I wish you could attend Frog Day my friend, I'd love to buy you a beer as well. I'll be taking notes about species and I'll be sure to share any info with you.

Glenn, I do owe you some beers. I plan on bringing some local beer from the best Micro-brew in Chicago. Goose Island Brewery. Before you ask, no it's not made from goose shit lol. Maybe tincs, leucs, get a bad name from being the first frogs in the hobby. I know a few froggers that only keep tincs, I don't think there is anything wrong with that. There are lots of frogs that I'm interested in that I've never seen in person. Frog keeping much like life is a learning experience, I've had my share of successes and failures and I want to build on that.

Jon back at you mate,I'd love to here what's at your frogday,i'll try and do the same for you at the first baks meet and maybe the one up north,if we can get up there. Stu also owes Glenn,he's been a true friend to us constantly giving us his time and knowledge,proper frogger!! The learning with this will be forever Jon that is a massive part of the appeal to me,its not only the actual frog husbandry but plants viv making,enclosure layout,culturing breeding and so much more.Its a huge field that's for sure,the next step phylosophy will run for years
Great post by Casper above this!!
Glenn goodonya :wink:,sorry mate this stuff just comes out, :roll: on the trivs we have seen the red and green here,i know one close mate whom actually keeps them,i must get in touch,and see how he and his charges are doing. I don't feel that we with our prebuilt racks will be able to give these the proper space for such an able jumper,stunning frogs all the same .
take care both
Stu
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Spud Wrote:
Rusty_Shackleford Wrote:I plan on bringing some local beer from the best Micro-brew in Chicago. Goose Island Brewery. Before you ask, no it's not made from goose shit lol.

Unfortunately, ever since Anheuser-Busch bought out Goose Island, who knows what's in it now. What I wouldn't give for an old 312 brewed in Chicago and not in New York...

Check out some of the epipedobates species. I think they're really underrated - interesting behavior and a nice call.

Spud, thank you for the update. I had no idea Goose Island was bought out. What a shame that is. Maybe I'll have to take a swing by Walter Payton's Roadhouse and pick up some of their mircro brew.
I'm excited you mentioned the Epipedobates, I'm getting some E. anthonyi S.I. from Field pretty soon!! I've also been looking for some E. anthonyi Rio Saladillio. Another new genus to work with!!
Jon
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