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R. Lamasi Morphs - PICS !
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I was supposed to post some of these pics a while ago. Finally got a camera that isn't my phone. This post is also to help clear up some confusion regarding the lamasi (yeah yeah, sirensis) morphs in the hobby. Mainly between the old line Panguana and the orange Panguana.

Old Line Panguana - It may be tough to tell but the legs are a lighter blue (similar to the orange lamasi) on this morph.

[Image: Panguana_zps38ae3bd0.jpg]

[Image: Panguana2_zps9120e4e1.jpg]

Green Legged Lamasi - Also a morph from Panguana, very similar to above, but with green legs. The green on the legs here is represented well.

[Image: GreenLegged_zpsb7a86b14.jpg]

Orange Panguana Lamasi - These guys are orange. The old line Panguana have similar blue legs to the Oranges here. My pictures above gave them a green hue for some reason.

[Image: DSCN0078_zpsa664fa68.jpg]

Green Lamasi - These are the frogs that Understory introduced. You can see the Green body and not the yellow or orange like on the above.

[Image: UEGreen_zps4a1e918c.jpg]

Highland/Standard Lamasi - Sorry for the glare

[Image: Standard_zps039c3936.jpg]


Hope this clears up some confusion that is out there.
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MyDumName Wrote:Green Lamasi - These are the frogs that Understory introduced. You can see the Green body and not the yellow or orange like on the above.

[Image: UEGreen_zps4a1e918c.jpg]

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Also a panguana morph. A northern morph. Type "F" in Christmann"s second volume.
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#3
Correct, too late for me to edit unfortunately.

From Panguana but most commonly referred to as UE Green....fortunately. Another Panguana green would probably add to the confusion even more, haha.
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#5
Haha especially the panguana and green legs. The females I have get real chubby.
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#6
As I said in your thread over there, the UE Greens are not a Panguana morph. They are larger and come from the Lower Ucayali. Although there are green panguanas, and there is also a population called Western Panguana that are green.

http://dendrobates.org/sirensis.html
Adam Hess
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#7
It appears the above citation must not be accurate. I have a response from Mark regarding this, just waiting for permission to post it.
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#8
thedude Wrote:As I said in your thread over there, the UE Greens are not a Panguana morph. They are larger and come from the Lower Ucayali. Although there are green panguanas, and there is also a population called Western Panguana that are green.

http://dendrobates.org/sirensis.html


Pepper imports are from the north. Look up "F" morph in Chrismann's book/s.
Darts with parasites are analogous to mixed tanks, there are no known benefits to the frogs with either.


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RichFrye Wrote:
thedude Wrote:As I said in your thread over there, the UE Greens are not a Panguana morph. They are larger and come from the Lower Ucayali. Although there are green panguanas, and there is also a population called Western Panguana that are green.

http://dendrobates.org/sirensis.html


Pepper imports are from the north. Look up "F" morph in Chrismann's book/s.

When I received mine a few years ago I asked if they were the population on dendrobates.org called Lower Ucayali and the answer was yes. They are not Panguanas. From the site: "This morph is found far to the north of Pucallpa"
Adam Hess
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#10
thedude Wrote:
RichFrye Wrote:
thedude Wrote:As I said in your thread over there, the UE Greens are not a Panguana morph. They are larger and come from the Lower Ucayali. Although there are green panguanas, and there is also a population called Western Panguana that are green.

http://dendrobates.org/sirensis.html


Pepper imports are from the north. Look up "F" morph in Chrismann's book/s.

When I received mine a few years ago I asked if they were the population on dendrobates.org called Lower Ucayali and the answer was yes. They are not Panguanas. From the site: "This morph is found far to the north of Pucallpa"

Perspective;
We can both be found far to the north of Pucallpa...

I guess we can just wait and see what MDN posts from Mark.
Matters not to me really. I'll never call any of them Sirensis and knowing what to breed to what should be the main point , and there should be no question, on these particular frogs...
Darts with parasites are analogous to mixed tanks, there are no known benefits to the frogs with either.


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#11
Simple answer from Mark is they are not from the Panguana region. Will post the email once he says I can. I'm sure he won't mind, just not wanting to copy and paste what someone wrote to me without the ok first.
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#12
Here it is (the space issues is from copying pasting to here):

"The green lamasi(sirensis) we offer should not be considered a"Panguana lamasi" The green lamasi/sirensis are found well removedfrom the "panguana" and hail from the Ucayali up in Loreto. I don'tbelieve there exists a northern extension of their range much beyondthese, but again, in Peru, with Ranitomeya, it seems almost anythingis possible.

I think it is important to understand what the Panguana actuallyrefers to. To, me Panguana is used in reference to a moderate expanseof lowland forests in central Peru bound nicely by the Cordillera deSira to the east and the Rio Pachitea to the west. Some old maps Ibelieve have referenced a village of Panguana as well, I have not seenthis denotation recently, and it is not a village I am personallyfamiliar with. In these lowlands sirensis are distributed throughout.There are many subtle to extreme variations found between the variouspopulations of these frogs. Most are generally a creamy to yellowstriped frog with limbs either grey white green or blue. AroundPuerto Inca there is at least one area where you find a highlypolymorphic population with the striped ranging from a greenish yellowto yellow to orange to red, with the limbs ranging from greenish greyto blue to white. in this particular area, where the orange lamasithe hobby currently has - were taken from initially, the predominantform seemed to be the soft orange ones, the yellow ones less common,and the truly red ones, quite rare. Again, a high degree ofpolymorphism has been seen in the Sira itself at at least one site-See Brown et 2011 for a much more detailed look into this.

To further confuse matters, well outside of the Panguana region, andin nearly every direction you can find populations of sirensis whichlook nearly identical to what the hobby would recognize as Panguanalamasi. For this reason it is probably best to be conservative IMOwhen maintaining the old lines of "Panguana" type frogs Hopefullyhobbyists can maintain these lines and not let them fall through thecracks. Regardless of where they may hail from they are interestingfrogs and have some history to them and it would be a shame to seethem disappear.

Interestingly in November, while looking at altamazonica and pepperidistribution along the Huallaga we stumbled upon a small population ofsirensis in a tiny forest fragment further down the Huallaga then Iwould have ever expected. Superficially it looked just lika a"panguana" frog."
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#13
^Thanks, nice to learn something new.
Darts with parasites are analogous to mixed tanks, there are no known benefits to the frogs with either.


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