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Which frog for me?
#1
I new to frogs but not so new to the herp world nor building vivs. In fact here is my pride and joy.

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Anyways im finishing up building a 40g breeder. Just need some cork wwood, few more broms and some mini orchids but only the corkwood is needed for now. Of course getting the insects established would help too.

Anyways im looking for at least 4 frogs but really dont know which way to go. More would be better but I believe 10g a frog is the general rule.

Im leaning twords azureus. Id really like something multicolored but azureus do look very nice and very bright. Im assuming I can do 4 in a 40 right? Im still far from ready to purchase them but want to get opinions.
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#2
Are you building the viv horizontal or vertical?
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#3
Horizonal. Didnt think about going vert till I found this site.
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#4
Awesome animal ! I had a friend with 2 Paleosuchrus P. and they are really smart. You can see it in their eyes. They used to be available for @ 100.00 but I think that's changed and they are harder to find.

Back to your 40 gallon. If it's a 'breeder' sized tank - more traditional shaped, then it's really best set up in it's normal horizontal configuration. 1 frog per 10 gallons is very good to go by. Azureus females can get pretty scrappy with other females especially when older and breeding. 1.1 -pair is a lot easier and safer. A good group / colony frog is Dendrobates leucomelas and Dendrobates auratus.
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#5
Thank you. She is a handful but worth every bit of money, effort and pain(bites, scratches and back pain from being bent over for hours) I put into her. Extremely intelligent, fast and strong.

It is a 40 breeder. I believe its 36"x24"x17". Should I skip the azureus and go with auratus instead?
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#6
What part of PA ? You could network into a few different PA hobbyists and obtain some nice frogs for a lot cheaper than 'retail'.

Have you considered Dendrobates leucomelas ? They would be a great 3.1 or 2.2 frog.

2.2 Dendobates tinctorius 'Azureus' would be 'ok'....it's just that as a first frog for a new hobbyist, they would have to be watched closely for stress and sometimes stress is not easily witnessed.

In either case, I'd recommend getting the entire group of whatever species and morph you finally choose, all at once and acclimate them together as froglets from the start. That way, they will grow up together and stress should be minimal.
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Im in greencastle 17225. About 45 min to 1 hr from harrisburg and 2,hrs from hamburg. Im not big on leucomelas . Auratus is far more attractive for my taste. If azureus is a good bit more difficult ill steer away from them to be safe.

Appreciate the tip on getting them all at once.
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#8
There are 2-3 hobbyist down there in Greencastle. Karl and a couple other guys....gotta dig for their info. Karl has some awesome 'Mike Shrom line' turquoise auratus. Really nice blues and silver. Dunno if he ever got them 'crankin' / breeding though...
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Philsuma Wrote:There are 2-3 hobbyist down there in Greencastle. Karl and a couple other guys....gotta dig for their info. Karl has some awesome 'Mike Shrom line' turquoise auratus. Really nice blues and silver. Dunno if he ever got them 'crankin' / breeding though...
I appreciate your help. I may know my way around a croc, heck even a HOT(venomous reptile). But a frog is a new one for me. What are those peoples screen names so I can look into contacting them? I used a corkwood back ground, cut it up and pieced it together with tooth picks. Then filled with moss and coco fiber to form a stump like ramp. Looks good in my opinion. Now for some more broms.
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#10
Sounds nice, could you send some pix? I have 2 vivs to build, and want to try a large cork stump-type base.
P. Terribilis orange, R. Imitator Cainarachi Valley, D. Leucomelas, D. Auratus, D. Azureus, P. vittatus, D. cobalts, D.Oyapok, Bombina Orientalis
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#11
Sure! Im at work today, but will nab some tomorrow.

Ok noob question. How the heck do I control mold thats starting? My caiman den i simply scrub it. Thats not gonna work here.... The only things I see regarding controlling mold is springtails and Im not sure of any place around me that has any. Will isopods assist in this?

This is why I read lots first.
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#12
Mold will come and go. Where is it forming ? On the substrate ? If so, just 'turn it over' and bury it with turned soil. Mold may seem unsightly but it's perfectly normal and not detrimental to the vivarium.
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There is alittle growing on some corkwood pieces. So its fine?
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yep...no biggie. It will die off in time.
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LePlat Wrote:Sure! Im at work today, but will nab some tomorrow.

Ok noob question. How the heck do I control mold thats starting? My caiman den i simply scrub it. Thats not gonna work here.... The only things I see regarding controlling mold is springtails and Im not sure of any place around me that has any. Will isopods assist in this?

This is why I read lots first.

Yes Isopods are great for controlling mold
1.1.3 Dendrobates Tinctorius "surinam cobalt" CB
1.1.1 Dendrobates Auratus "Panamanian green and bronze" CB
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DianeCarter Wrote:Sounds nice, could you send some pix? I have 2 vivs to build, and want to try a large cork stump-type base.
Sry. Holiday and all.
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#17
Wow, that croc is crazy almost bit you twice! Btw, you have very fast reflexes LePlat. Very nice Croc. its nice to see how much room you provided to her.
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ChungC084 Wrote:Wow, that croc is crazy almost bit you twice! Btw, you have very fast reflexes LePlat. Very nice Croc. its nice to see how much room you provided to her.
Thank you! Im quite proud of my work with her. She got me a couple times before. Im fast but she is too. Lol.
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try hand-feeding with a thick glove or tongs. After a while, that species SHOULD intelligently recognize you, almost like a dog.
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Philsuma Wrote:try hand-feeding with a thick glove or tongs. After a while, that species SHOULD intelligently recognize you, almost like a dog.
oh she knows me. Used to be I was the only person the could handle her. Anyone else near her and she would start hissing. She still will chase(yes chase!!!) Others out of her den or charge them if they are in the doorway. Me she just hisses and if I touch her strikes.. It seemed when she hit 24" or so she flipped. I need to go back to trying to work with tongs though. She is just so secretive .
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