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Blue Legged Siquirres Oophaga pumilio Pairs
#1
Costa Rica just landed last night and I'll be shipping out the starting next week. All the frogs came in perfect condition and on a direct trouble-free flight from CR, what more could one ask for? Nice frogs that in the past may have been sold as Blue Jeans (a non-specific locale name for blue legged pumilio).

Species - Oophaga pumilio "Siquirres" Blue Leg
Line/Origin -CB in Costa Rica
Age - Sexually Mature, under a year old.
Price - $400.00 Pair

These are a blue legged Siquirres locale, not the "Black Jeans" usually seen. The legs are a blue with a black within the blue. I would not cross these with existing "Siquirres" lines, these are different.

Pics of are representative animals from the previous import, but they do vary. Most specimens do not have the extended blue bellies.

They are imported from a legal breeding operation in Costa Rica, not European imports. Copies of import paperwork is available to those who request it when purchasing the frogs.

Shipping is $40-65.00 via FedEx Overnight or pick up in St. Augustine, FLA. References available on request. Live and healthy arrival guaranteed. I accept CC via phone or online through my website. I do not accept Paypal.


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#2
Wow, they are beautiful, If I would not have
Seen the title I would have sword they were
Blue Jeans. Beautiful frogs
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#3
Blue jeans are a non-locale frog, so if these would not have come in with locale info, I would have considered them to be blue jeans.

Coqui Wrote:Wow, they are beautiful, If I would not have
Seen the title I would have sword they were
Blue Jeans. Beautiful frogs
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#4
So are Blue Jeans considered a generic version
Of this beautiful frog.
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#5
In the past Blue Jeans is the name used for frogs from Costa Rica and Nicaragua with a red/orange body and blue legs.

So, blue jeans do not need to be Siquirres locale, but these frog could be considered a blue jeans. If that makes sense?


Coqui Wrote:So are Blue Jeans considered a generic version
Of this beautiful frog.
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#6
Got it, Blue Jeans is a label for frogs
That are orange to red with blue legs and
Have No specific locale.
Thank you for the lesson learned.
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#7
Some Blue Jeans can have local info, but many of them do not as they are either from old lines or new imports from Europe whose parent stock was smuggled in.

Coqui Wrote:Got it, Blue Jeans is a label for frogs
That are orange to red with blue legs and
Have No specific locale.
Thank you for the lesson learned.
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#8
Trying to get this straight--would this analogy be correct? A person might be causasian (of a white race) but a locale would be more specific--this caucasian person could originally be from France, Germany, England, Sweden, etc. They would all still be caucasian, but giving the location (locale) would be more specific, or give more information. In this example, the frog would be blue jeans (causasian), which could come from many locales. So saying a blue legged siquirres oophaga pumilio gets down to the specifics ( France, Germany, etc?). Is this right?
(Not trying to be racist--a person could be black, with a locale of Nigeria, Kenya, etc, or a person could be Asian with a locale of China, Japan, etc). Equal opportunity for frogs and people!
Thanks for trying to straighten this out!
Gorgeous frogs too, by the way!!!!
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#9
Diane,

Just stick with frogs instead of analogies with other animals / humans....so much easier.

On 'blue jeans' :

1. 'Blue Jeans' is a hobby / tourist / non scientific term for Oophaga pumilio with 100% absolute BLUE leg colouration and an Orange / Red body.

2. We know that this colouration / combination only exists in Southern Nicaragua and 'Mid Costa Rica". Although some populations of Panamanian frogs may look similar and have a greyish-blue leg colouration like 'almirante' , we in the hobby are 100% certain that the hobby term ' Blue Jeans' means primarily a Costa Rican frog - most imports, as well as a Nicaraguan frog (Early 1990's imports and much more uncommon to rare in the U.S hobby) but NEVER a Panamanian frog.

3. In the absence of CITES paperwork and someone to vouch for the GPS data (scientist), anyone with a 'Blue Jeans' pumilio is assumed to have a 'Costa Rican' Blue Jeans frog. No site specific or locale data. The BEST we can do , is compare it to Sarapaqui or Tortuguero ect, by photograph alone, and that is far from accurate. It's a 'best guess", always

4. Justin has CITES paperwork and is willing to supply anyone who purchases and requests, with the Locale data that he has, making his import of 'Blue jeans' pumilio truly 'site specific'.

5. That said, it is still up to the purchaser to be 100% satisfied with the animals and accompanying paperwork. I have not heard of any problems to date, and I have no reason to think that this import by Justin is nothing less than an excellent attempt to raise the bar for the hobby and provide 'better' animals.
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#10
Thanks Phil!
P. Terribilis orange, R. Imitator Cainarachi Valley, D. Leucomelas, D. Auratus, D. Azureus, P. vittatus, D. cobalts, D.Oyapok, Bombina Orientalis
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#11
Reading this thread I have a few questions. Why haven't rich fry commented on this thread.? Why pay for blue jeans when you can get siquirres? Also siquirres will be a better choice because we have a certain locale unlike the smuggled blue jeans from Europe or any person selling them who can't back up their origin. Anyone can say I got them in the 90's and these are the offsprings. Maybe the original ones in the 90's died and these offsprings are from smuggled frogs.
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#12
I agree with most all of what Justin and Phil have posted.
However, there are many frogs from blue jean locales that have very dark if not black legs . But, the mean phenotype has from light orange to dark red with varying amounts of blue on their legs, and varying amounts of spotting.

Just as what has been historically labeled "black jeans" have basically and generally a more red body color and instead of spotting have more reticulation and usually very dark to black legs and come from the most closest areas of in and around Siquirres. Just as with BJs , you will find colors and patterns going away from the mean of bright red with blackish legs and reticulation , almost mimicking the phenotypes of blue jeans, but still keeping the difference from the mean groups of BJs across CR and Nicaragua.

Blue jean and black jean is a phenotype name which denotes what the mean of the breeding population looks like. It is not a hard-fast rule to identify a frog via a photo or any other visual means .

There are a number of blue jeans and black jeans and many other pums which do have further and more specific locale info than a simple 'strawberry' ( a CR favorite tag) , blue jean , or black jean .

One point of interest is that all of the black jeans (phenotype) I have seen as a mean with black legged , red reticulated bodied breeding populations have occurred in (not directly in the scum-hole that is Siquirres, but very, very close) and directly around Siquirres.

A number of great things come out of knowing where your frogs come from and passing along proof.
One major thing is that you have solid info on how to breed these frogs and they should not be mixed with other blue jeans or black jeans we now have in the country.
Darts with parasites are analogous to mixed tanks, there are no known benefits to the frogs with either.


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#13
sPaRX Wrote:Reading this thread I have a few questions. Why haven't rich fry commented on this thread.?

Because I don't jump right on ever thread when I have many other issues in the fire.
Were there any points you'd care me to comment on?
Darts with parasites are analogous to mixed tanks, there are no known benefits to the frogs with either.


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#14
Hello Rich
I won't pretend to know about locales
Or specific lines. I will say if I am going to buy
Blue jeans I want a frog with blue legs, not black ones.
If I wanted black legs I would have gotten black jeans.
I do agree that there are variations but blue to me is blue.
Also, like you said the person must be reputable and trustworthy.
Chk paper work and do your homework.
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#15
ok folks....start another thread on other issues, if you must. Keep in mind this is Justin's Classified ad.
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My apologies
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#17
Extra females for $200.00 each. Here are some pics of ones that came in.


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