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You obviously do it as a seller and I applaud you.
Yes, but as a buyer, my best insurance policy is to know what I'm getting myself into. If I screw up, because of my laziness - I'm just going to blame myself. I'm going to do my best to rely on the seller as little as possible and that's what I would advise any buyer. On the other hand, I'd advise every seller to do as much as possible for their customers.
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#22 01-28-2011, 02:27 PM
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I think a lot of focus could be on the image of the dart frog hobby. If we represent ourselves as responsible sellers who take care of our animals, the likely response we will get from buyers is a willingness to take initiative and learn themselves. Even if people at shows buy darts and know nothing about them, a vendor who can at least pass out a care sheet and recommend that they visit a dart frog forum to learn is doing them a favor. There's no need for a 10-minute discussion, show vendors don't have time for that anyway since they need to watch the table and moneybox.
A lot of folks, when buying high-end animals, may be turned off from buying by a lack of professionalism in general. This is certainly something I look for when buying, above all else. A good businessman knows how to treat potential customers, and I don't buy from those who don't understand that concept.
When selling, I look at the buyer and carefully consider to whom I'm entrusting my frogs. If that person is going around from ad to ad buying up tons of frogs at one time, I'm probably going to say . I think as a good general practice the hobby would be healthier by following such practices. Fewer would have to worry about getting ripped off if there were protocol in place for education of the customer.
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#23 01-28-2011, 02:33 PM
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Yes, but as a buyer, my best insurance policy is to know what I'm getting myself into. If I screw up, because of my laziness - I'm just going to blame myself. I'm going to do my best to rely on the seller as little as possible and that's what I would advise any buyer. On the other hand, I'd advise every seller to do as much as possible for their customers.
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#25 01-28-2011, 03:06 PM
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Little bit of info I lived by in this hobby. If I did not know the breeder I asked for a pic or asked to see the breeding pair or group. I If they did not breed them its likely they cant prove the lineage and in some cases ''KS Classifieds'' the species is wrong.
Its also a good idea to ask how they are keeping them, what they are feeding them and other common things that can send a frog down a parasite ridden track or a vitamin deficiency. I myself always offer info to buyers in hopes that they are prepared and if not that they will ask about proper care.
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#26 01-28-2011, 03:20 PM
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Another question...do shows have a meeting with their vendors ahead of time explaining/suggesting a basic guidelines when selling frogs?
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AT the shows in Utopia they do sorry, couldn't resist it. Assumption at shows is that you're a big boy and you can handle your business affairs yourself without hand holding. Pay for the table, electricity and enjoy the ride!
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#27 01-28-2011, 06:39 PM
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I have a very interesting question for responsable breeders/sellers in business .......let say I purchased a pair of sub adult PDFs from your business and about 6 or 7 montha later I say wow
all this time and no calling, no eggs, nothing nada,zilch, I say to myself...self I must have a pair of FEMALES!!!, now I call you and I Tell....hey Joe Blow I think you might have sold me 2 females by accident. now here comes the question.....what would you say and do? #1 If you say hey I sold you a pair, you just don't know how to sex frogs but if you want to buy another male then I'll sell you one. ( you just lost my business)
THE MORAL OF THIS STORY IS ......BREEDERS/SELLERS HAVE TO BE RESPONSABLE TOO.
Sorry for the hijack if it's off main topic
There is another part to this story but I'll wait and see what responses if any there are.
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I have a very interesting question for responsable breeders/sellers in business .......let say I purchased a pair of sub adult PDFs from your business and about 6 or 7 montha later I say wow
all this time and no calling, no eggs, nothing nada,zilch, I say to myself...self I must have a pair of FEMALES!!!, now I call you and I Tell....hey Joe Blow I think you might have sold me 2 females by accident. now here comes the question.....what would you say and do? #1 If you say hey I sold you a pair, you just don't know how to sex frogs but if you want to buy another male then I'll sell you one. ( you just lost my business)
THE MORAL OF THIS STORY IS ......BREEDERS/SELLERS HAVE TO BE RESPONSABLE TOO.
Sorry for the hijack if it's off main topic
There is another part to this story but I'll wait and see what responses if any there are.
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Well you take some risk buying a probable pair...but I would like to see a seller refund the extra cost of a sexed pair in that case. If they sell adult females for 100 each and sold you the pair for 250, they should refund you 50 IMO....That would be Ideal, well Ok just giving you a free male would be Ideal but unrealistic. On the other hand I'm not going to condemn a seller if their animals and general practices are usually great if they aren't willing to refund in this case and you did assume the risk of it only being a probable pair. Now if it was a proven or sexed pair and not a best guess then I really think they need to do something to make that right.
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Well you take some risk buying a probable pair...but I would like to see a seller refund the extra cost of a sexed pair in that case. If they sell adult females for 100 each and sold you the pair for 250, they should refund you 50 IMO....That would be Ideal, well Ok just giving you a free male would be Ideal but unrealistic. On the other hand I'm not going to condemn a seller if their animals and general practices are usually great if they aren't willing to refund in this case and you did assume the risk of it only being a probable pair. Now if it was a proven or sexed pair and not a best guess then I really think they need to do something to make that right.
Thanks Dendro Dave..........But it did not say probable pair on the price list it said
"pair" but I'm not saying that there isn't a happy ending to this story, because there is................
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To me though anything that isn't a proven pair is probable. Since you said sub adult they can't be proven due to age so it would have to be a probable pair. So this does go back to the buyer and his willingness to trust the seller that he can sex frogs at a subadult age
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