bloat? impaction? Please help

[311_dart]

I have searched the forums and read the stickys, but am not sure if this is something to worry about? The dart fattened up in less than 2 days. Please help!

Azureus: December 31


January 7




Jan 8

well this morning i found her and her right rear leg was not functional. the dart has been isolated and put in a pedialyte bath (for now). i have no access to a ringer sol'n, any recommendations? i am afraid to give her calcuim drops.... please help!!! fecals have been clean, dusting with vitamins 5 days a week. these azureus were purchased in aug and were told they were 3-4 months out of the water. could expired vitamins be a cause?(i have recently picked up new powders)? thanks!

[Cindy Dicken]

Any updates on the condition of the frog?

[311_dart]

Thank you for your concern, Cindy, but unfortunately I lost that frog. I immediately quarantined its male counterpart and got some fecals done. Apparently hookworm came up in the examination, and my blue azureus has been dosed with panacur weekly per doctors recommendations. I am going to send for another fecal this week and see what comes up.

Besides losing the frog, I have to scrap the whole viv, which I was growing riccia and had some brom pups for other tanks! O well, back to the drawing board with new viv plans.

[ondeck25]

...and I thought I was aggravated when I had to fix my aqua pump. Bummer about your dart.

[Cindy Dicken]

I'm sorry to hear about that!

I know the riccia is not salvagable, but could you possibly bleach the bromeliad pups?

[311_dart]

I have heard that a 10% or 3% (depends on who you are talking to) bleach solution will do the trick, but I am not going to find out. I am not going to chance it, I have to order some plantlife anyway for the new viv. I feel bad for my azureus, he is all alone now! anyone in south florida have a female?!

[Cierra1985]

Same exact thing is happening to my poor female! I also live in South Florida! I don't know what to do, maybe I will take her out now Does this mean I have to destroy my whole also?

[311_dart]

I am not sure what happened to my female, but the male gave positive fecals afterwards. I would recommend a fecal sample, and maybe even a call to a reputable vet.

[Cierra1985]

Thank you for replying. Even though I live in Miami (a big city), there is only one vet that I know for exotics and at the moment, he is not working. What vet do you use? I gave her a saline bath which took her bloating down enough for me to see that she is large on her sides, not in the middle which I am hoping is eggs. I have searced all over the internet and although I have found stuff on development, I yet to find anything on prego frogs themselves. She is not really eating (she ate 2 flies this morning). She also insists on sitting in her egg dish (dish w/ shallow water) all day. Was your female always sitting in water? Hm, well, we will see...

[311_dart]

Yes, it seems similar. I strongly recommend a fecal sample to see if your dart is carrying any parasites. www.fryebrothersfrogs.com is the website for Dr. Frye, who did my samples and helped me medicate my male back to health. I always called first before sending fecals, but I can't seem to find the phone number now. After he did my fecals, he called me personally and talked with me regarding medication, frog health, etc. Great guy!

I also think many froggers are at a convention this weekend and away from their precious message boards, so this might be why responses are slow.

Good luck, keep us posted!

[Cierra1985]

I tried emailing him the other day but it came up unknown. She hasn't gotten any worse, and even though her appetite isn't what it used to be, she still eats a few flies every time. I am kind of in the air about parasites, from the research I've done, some people say that parasites are more or less a way of life for darts? If someone could clarify this it would be helpful. Where is the convention located? Thanks!

[311_dart]

the post immediately before this one has Dr. Frye info:
http://www.dartden.com/viewtopic.php?t=2709

I might have been wrong about the convention, I think it was earlier this month.

I think parasites are a serious problem and darts are healthier after being properly diagnosed and treated.

just my 2 cents! glad to hear she isn't getting any worse.

[Indoorcreatures]

I had a frog that had almost the exact same problem except that it was both back legs. I didn't know about this site then, but dissected the frog at the time and found hookworms. I also had another that died as a froglet that was very bloated that was loaded with hookworms. The froglet was still in a 5 gallon quarantine tank with paper towel, but we didn't give it any medication. I was only quarantining out of habit to make sure they were eating well (I have many marine aquariums as well). Both frogs came from the same breeder and I am guessing that the 2 that we still have probably are infected as well. I am going to analyze their stool (I am a Med Tech and a nerd with a couple microscopes at home) and then look into getting the appropriate medication from Dr. Frye. I will also be moving those two back to quarantine for treatment and taking down the vivarium, I wanted to redo it anyway. Our current frogs, an azureus and a citronella are about 2 years old but are still about half the size of other adults that I have seen at displays and I am guessing that an ongoing hookworm infection is reponsible for their stunted growth.

[311_dart]

from my limited experience its sounds very similar. Good luck!