Poll -Is keeping frogs in "glass boxes" - Conservation ?

[scott_r]

I know you do Phil. I also have to believe you know there was a different mindset toward frogs then as well. And I believe people that stick around eventually gravitate to that way of thinking. But now you see people post an intro, two months later they have 7 vivs, and a year after that they are selling everything.
ISSD and ADG were focused on education and conservation. Pokemoning is more about coolness than conservation

[scott_r]

Where is it coming from? My thoughts. It isn't an attack on anyone. I believe Phil and I agree on most things. Alot of people in the hobby don't even bother to know the natural range of their frogs, biotope of their frogs, etc. They just think they are cool.

Ever read a " Hey I just filled a glass box with plants, what should I stick in there" post?

How often do you see posts like.....
Does anyone have a list of available plants from southern Suriname?
Does anyone have any pictures of the natural habitat of the Nic Auratus?
Does any know the average daily humidity of Boco Del Toro?

[Philsuma]

I know you do Phil. I also have to believe you know there was a different mindset toward frogs then as well. And I believe people that stick around eventually gravitate to that way of thinking. But now you see people post an intro, two months later they have 7 vivs, and a year after that they are selling everything.
ISSD and ADG were focused on education and conservation. Pokemoning is more about coolness than conservation

I think there is as much conservation interests and efforts at all these newer events. I really do.Maybe not a whole lot MORE, as in big growth, but people are still talking about conservation. If anything, I think smuggling has taken a HIT in the last 5-6 years here in the U.S due to transparency and a no-bullshit attitude of SOME of the Forums :wink:

I'm convinced two things are gaining speed here:

1. We are getting REALLY REALLY good at breeding these frogs. All sorts of frogs. Dr. Brad Wilson said something profound. He is of the mind that the Hobby is LEAPS AND BOUNDS more effective at husbandry than ALMOST ALL INSTITUTIONS !!
That's right folks, take a bow. Give yourselves a quick pat on the back before you feed your frogs tonight.

We are crankin; out frogs, folks. I personally, bet we could give everyone who wanted one, a dart frog. Hobby minded people, mind you, not just a line of random folks at a mall or something. We CAN produce that many !

2. It's having an effect on importation. Strictly recently had to switch gears and send pumilio surpluses to Europe and Asia and I think it's because we are producing a lot of pums as hobby breeders. We import much less pumilio than we did in 2004,05,06 I believe.

[cbreon]

Where is it coming from? My thoughts. It isn't an attack on anyone. I believe Phil and I agree on most things. Alot of people in the hobby don't even bother to know the natural range of their frogs, biotope of their frogs, etc. They just think they are cool.

Ever read a " Hey I just filled a glass box with plants, what should I stick in there" post?

How often do you see posts like.....
Does anyone have a list of available plants from southern Suriname?
Does anyone have any pictures of the natural habitat of the Nic Auratus?
Does any know the average daily humidity of Boco Del Toro?

Didn't perceive it as "an attack," but I wasn't sure what your point was. I think husbandry has made leaps and bounds, I think that many hobbyists are very interested in the details of the environment where their frogs come from because many hobbyists want to breed them, but also because many care about the animals too. I think providing plants from the exact area the frogs are from isn't especially important, as long as you are providing a suitable habitat. In many cases, I think the plants that are commonly used do mimic something close to what the frogs might be in contact with. Is it perfect? No. But over the last 11 years, I have seen a significant advancement in husbandry and the general knowledge of the frogs and their natural enviornments and needs.