Dendrobates tinctorius "Robertus"

[ecichlid]

You are taking a real risk of shutting down egg production. I would wait till you get them into a dry season, no?

[joneill809]

Nah I'm not worried. The move is weeks / months away at my pace. I still have to catch ~11 red galacts which in my experience is a tall task...especially in a 120. Then I have some bulk head revisions and a new false bottom planned, then replanting. Then the 2.1 Robertus that is not producing will make the move. I'll see where things are by then. For now they are in the 30, but ultimately they'll move to the 120.

They did deposit another clutch today in their hut - somewhere around 8 to 10 - they deposited between two magnolia leaves so it's hard to get a good view. I did pull them, but I didn't want to move around the leaves too much and disturb the clutch.

[ecichlid]

Sounds like a good plan. :-) Glad your Robertus are producing regularly now.

Kinda weird coincidence. I have 8 red galacts I'm going to be moving soon into a 67 gallon 24x18x36. I have dibs on 2 more, I'm wondering if I'm pushing it by putting that many frogs into that size of an enclosure. What are your thoughts Jim?

[joneill809]

Kinda weird coincidence. I have 8 red galacts I'm going to be moving soon into a 67 gallon 24x18x36. I have dibs on 2 more, I'm wondering if I'm pushing it by putting that many frogs into that size of an enclosure. What are your thoughts Jim?

I think you'll be fine if you heavily scape the back wall with lots of terraces. I've got 11 in the 120 now (the 8 adults and 3 froglets/juveniles that I have not caught yet) and it still looks empty. I was talking to Patrick about them when I purchased my first four a few years back and he noted how they do better in groups, though things can get a bit testy during breeding season which I have seen. Most of the time they hang out peacefully together in caves or basking on ledges - usually side by side by side or squished into a little crack. The only time fights have broken out was between competing calling males and the spats usually only lasted 5 minutes. So I think you're fine if you have a lot of ledges (which I'm sure you will ). Here's the 120 thread. Good luck with them - they are a beautiful frog...when you can see them.

[joneill809]

A few images of eggs and tads! First four are in the water and the second clutch looked good:
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[Dendrokurt]

Do you plan on raising the tads together? I have heard they grow faster that way but I'm too scared to do it


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[joneill809]

Yeah Marcus explained his experiences to me last summer so I though I'd give it a try and that's how I've raised all my lorenzo.

They are in a 2.5 gallon tank with about 1.5" of Turface substrate and a handful of live oak Leaf litter with a few magnolia leaves tossed in. I age the tanks for a few months so the LL sinks and I add a few cork bark strips that float. There's plenty of of cover for tads to hide and the cork lets them haul out when they are ready. It has worked well for me. I hate cups :lol:

I generally don't mix ages of tadpoles. Sometimes I'll combine two clutches. That said, I've had some lorenzo tads that grow quick and others that grow slowly and they seem to get on fine. I tend to change water about once a month, just topping off for evaporation between changes. I rinse the tanks with RO water between clutches but I try not to upset the bacteria in the Turface too much.

Its too early to tell if I get stronger froglets or not and I have not done any scientifically valid experiments. It's really just the next easiest method after tank rearing.

[joneill809]

Clutch 1 yielded 4 tadpoles, and it looks like clutch 2 is going to yield 2 more. The second clutch looked strong initially, then most of the eggs stopped developing. They deposited their third clutch today. This time they used a petri dish, so we'll see how this one goes.
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Grainy tadpole shots (they hang toward the middle of the tank so it's hard to get clear shots):
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[Dendrokurt]

They look great, at least your getting some consistency with your clutches, eventually all of the eggs will start turning out ok. Occasionally I lose an egg out of a larger clutch and I think only once I lost a whole clutch.
I had a clutch of 8 tads hatch out of their eggs prematurely last week, they are all doing fine but I'm going to go ahead and try raising them communally as well and see how that goes.


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[joneill809]

The Robertus moves are happening slowly. I decided to leave the original 1.1 in their 18x18x24 since they are consistently producing. They've dropped two nice clutches in the last two weeks. Here is one that is farther along with what looks like 11/11 good eggs:
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The 2.1 was not showing signs of doing that much, so they were moved to the 120 gallon after it was rebuilt. They FINALLY look like they are in a tank that is appropriately sized for them; now they look like bakhuis in an 18" cube :lol:. Here's the new setup for the 2.1:
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Ideally I'd like another two frogs in there - maybe holdback males from the 1.1's offspring someday.

[joneill809]

Any day now with the original clutch:
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The follow on clutch is coming along well too:
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The tads are bulking up:
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[rcteem]

Keep up the great work!!! Such a beautiful frog

[joneill809]

First froglets are crawling out...gotta get moving on the Sherman conversion kit lol:
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[Dendrokurt]

That one looks almost identical to one of my froglets.

[joneill809]

Shots of the three froglets before going into grow out:
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[Philsuma]

what a shame the pics did not survive the migration

[Broseph]

what a shame the pics did not survive the migration

Yeah, I had a couple bookmarks in this thread just for the pics.