Dart Den

Stu...it sounds like SLS is happening a little too frequently. Have you investigated all possibilities ?

1. Water parameters and quality.
2. Supplementation for the adult breeders.
3. Temperatures.

Philsuma Wrote:Stu...it sounds like SLS is happening a little to frequently. Have you investigated all possibilities ?

1. Water parameters and quality.
2. Supplementation for the adult breeders.
3. Temperatures.

Only mysties really phil,and the very first clutch of attachi i think...well I hope,they were just slightly afflicted and a very different type of sls was apparent in the 2 i lost. All auratus good all leucs good just started seeing it . probably we have had 100 tads ootw now all told lost 3 auratus at morphout and the 2 attachis maybe 10 mysties to sls...no froglets at all...period,only a handful of tads have died all in the first week discounting the 12 or so we lost to mouth fungus.
on seeing it added a bi monthly dust of supervit all vits used under 6 months and refridgerated
water temp lowest 72,pretty stable room Phil ...but just abit cooler than summer temps
if temp of water or quality were players here then why do other frogs get close to 100% good morphout

It's something to do with the mysties mate I'm pretty sure and with the extended morphout time which these frogs exhibit just so long in the water i can't even point the finger at the parents being through a long extended breeding season as these eggs were laid way back.
It very much seems to be a mystie thing really and from what Ive heard folks keeping these here suffer equally...well actually far worse than we have, i know of folks here with 10yrs plus of dartkeeping that cannot keep these frogs let alone breed them,even a zoo has had problems keeping them alive,cases of fitting MBD are reported ,so maybe a small gene pool is a big factor
Stu

Once again love all the pictures.

Juand15 Wrote:Once again love all the pictures.

Thanks man so why not have some more,first a few notes:
I recently found out that our first batch of mysties contained a male he called at almost exactly 6 months of age for the first time.
the second clutch of attachibakka are ootw and all 100% good,so some form of first clutch issue must have been at play.
We have also been abit gobsmacked by the appearance of a very dark panama special in amongst all the stunning pale blue of the first hatch,Bill has named him the midnight maurader, :lol: so we call him midnight,and no we won't be line breeding him for a goddamn designer morph,but if anyone wants to tell me more about if this is caused by melenism and if said melanistic genes are dominant in darts I'm curious as hell.He's really cool actually because unlike all his siblings we just can't see him until he moves,all i want to see is him grow up so i can see what happens to the much talked on colour change of pans,and hopefully get some pics out there
anyway pics
attachis kids







so now all we gotta do is sort out how to breed mysties withut sls and back to all good

panama special auratus kids
the early hatched chap,same clutch




and here's midnight




take care guys
Stu

Great pics as always Stu, congrats on your continued good luck with breeding! Thats awesome about the mystie...hopefully you can morph out a gal soon.

fieldsmith Wrote:Great pics as always Stu, congrats on your continued good luck with breeding! Thats awesome about the mystie...hopefully you can morph out a gal soon.

Hey bro ya good?,Field,maybe my desires to tell everything straight pitfalls and pluses are not painting a true picture,we don't just have the odd mystie thats coming good,i'm just not really focusing on numbers thats all. My hunch is that the first batch of mysties contain 2 girls it will i suspect be a good while before we know this,they are hellish difficult to sex. Because you guys can't legally keep these frogs ,i do try to tell everything i learn about them,oneday things might be different, for you

I saved these for a rainy day and it is absolutely horrendous here,by English standards anyway :lol:proper big old storm ratting through.Mind we all know what that means for dartkeepers 8)





















there are some teeny tiny ones behind these that i haven't snapped yet and then a procession with a big gap with just the odd clutch when they were in down time.But as more live grub becomes available and the morphout times change accordingly,we might just see a continuous succession.I'm marking up a few tads and feeding them more live food as a little experiment to find out if the live wild grub really is affecting the time a mystie tad is in the water like i think it is.
yeah mate there is a girl or 2 there thats for sure :lol:

Stu

Magical !

Young Mr Frye has something written about getting dirty rather than tapping on Da computer, a man after my own heart, its kinda been like that here 8) so I will apologise for the lack of input to the esteemed den,but We've been being a dart breeding guys.Its really cool we love it but ya know i bloody wish i knew more about all this had a few yrs under the belt not a few months.
Anyway we have pretty much stopped setting eggs things seem to be falling into place alarmingly so,not much that hatches now doesn't come out big and strong,the memories of a duff attachibakka clutch way heavy but seem an isolated incident first clutch issue. So here's a little batch of said tinc for Glenn,i thought he would like this and of note again are the colours. I'm told the blue on the legs will largely disappear at around 4 months,almost a shame really.



and the morphout tub you might be able to see the odd tail,there's around 13 in there with the early guys and the later,


We have also had a new batch of leucs more dark panama specials and more and more mysties with out problems.
The mysties morph out in a similar set up to the attachis,after that the go into a tub base orchid bark then topped of with leaflitter all microwaved then seeded with springtails and dwarf white iso. My main reason for snapping these was to show how well the leaflitter works for little ,ha ha and bigger darts. These have been in this tub for literally minutes,no stress from the move instant distraction by the new food source,and into hunting mode. Oh i must mention before pics the tiny one...last hatched,set off with the rest hunting.Unfortunately the day before i knocked the top on a ff culture of hydei and we have a few escapees one of which got into this tub....to my utter amazement little tiny mystie hunted it down and snacked it clean as you like












Oh we now have a little experiment going...well ok one of many with frogs being reared inviv in an ent style viv we have mystie sb and attachi,all carried all great fun
Take care
Stu

I wish you would quit with the mysti pics. you are like flaunting it in my face.
sylvaticus and mystis are one of my favorite frogs and i can't get any. maybe i can get a special package from my cuz in england. hmmm she post it as jewlery. well at least i can dream.

so what is the deal with those Mystis? Everyone says they are illegal but is there some place I can actually look up what darts are and aren't legal in the states?

These pictures are fantastic, by the way, so please keep them coming.

-Byron

pa.walt Wrote:I wish you would quit with the mysti pics. you are like flaunting it in my face.
sylvaticus and mystis are one of my favorite frogs and i can't get any. maybe i can get a special package from my cuz in england. hmmm she post it as jewlery. well at least i can dream.

I'm going to guess your Walt,simply my hope is that one day they will be available to you guys,and as i learn posting about these ,might just give you guys a little start on doing well with them,i also am picking up that there is a degree of humour in your first line maybe i have read that wrong.but i get that from the second bit. They are so much more than the pics to keep. Well the sylvaticus are there for you now thanks to UE.I wish the mysties could be available too,maybe oneday.
regards
Stu

Armson Wrote:so what is the deal with those Mystis? Everyone says they are illegal but is there some place I can actually look up what darts are and aren't legal in the states?

These pictures are fantastic, by the way, so please keep them coming.

-Byron

Hey Byron,i can't help on the legal issues over there i can point you to a thread on the general discussion section which might be an interesting read for you,regarding these frogs."flaunting frogs of illegal origins",is i think the title.Our frogs are captive bred here in England,essentially they have never been taken legally from the wild,although they are widely available here. Have a read of that thread, my thoughts are pretty much laid out there.
thanks on the pics,these frogs seem very prone to sls,it appears we are doing extremely well with them from the feedback i receive here,some folks have consistanly struggled even to keep them alive,maybe something in our methods uvb? wildgrub? rainwater? is the key.I don't have answers i post as i just stated to Walt in the hope that oneday I might give you guys a headstart with them if things change stateside
regards
Stu

Sorry Didn't mean to make it sound like you had illegal frogs I was just wondering why they were considered illegal here in the states.


-Byron

Armson Wrote:Sorry Didn't mean to make it sound like you had illegal frogs I was just wondering why they were considered illegal here in the states.


-Byron

You have no need to apologise these are contraversal over there, because they are that one frog that was never legally exported from peru.the irony i guess is more are in captivity than in the wild, as if one gets the breeding right they can be very productive. Hence I want mysties keepers to some how give a bit back,over here and in europe,whether I'm a lone voice remains to be seen. So we'll do what we can and hope others will follow. I can't do much about what happened in the past, the situation i find myself in, maybe abit can be done for the future
Stu

Twenty yrs ago i planted a Greengage,its a type of Plum tree...green plums,superb to eat,anyway Shaz harvested this,the other day,its a big old stick and absolutly loaded with the brightest aphids i have yet seen.this is featuring heavily in our young frogs diet at present,the pencil gives some perspective on quantity

Attachibakka oldest clutch going great guns












I've been filling every spare hour of late banging out a commission,like i have any spare time,but they say if you want something doing ask a busy guy,the job is sorted and awaiting collection,pennies derived will be ploughed back into the frogs,oophgaga I'm questing for
So one viv 50deep 100 long 50 high cm,base 6mm glass the rest 4mm,top back optiwhite built for some of our SB auratus
viv pre water test




carved up the background low over hang will double as planter,back left,larger floor area more leaflitter under it






bit of detail

all covered up in rockoflex




panels inviv,covered in epoxy resin rockdust and a mix of ecoearth and peat








several rocks also double as planters although not all as obvious as the front left
regards
Stu

wow...look at all those aphids !!

A lof of beautifull froglets!
Congratulationsn especialy the mysteriosus!


K.

The background for the new viv looks great! The ledges should make for great perches. Well done and can't wait to see the finished product!

Philsuma Wrote:wow...look at all those aphids !!

Hmm I haven't ever seen it this good before Phil,or bad depending on whether your gardening or frogging.She surpassed herself today and fed everything,with aphid to spare,maybe 2 or 3 times that pictured,even the tiniest froglets are taking them so,if this keeps up i'm going to be setting up another few monster springtail cultures. Thanks for all the help given here we are staying with the charcoal and yeast method water change every 2 weeks and daily checks.We are seriously rocking now,ok i still want more ,but what the hell beginners huh :lol: Much thanks for all contributions on the springtail thread i posted 8)
Stu

krakanax Wrote:A lof of beautifull froglets!
Congratulationsn especialy the mysteriosus!


K.

Thanks do you have many mysties in France? We are doing very well with them at the moment,mind its all going well,we are still bewildered ,but all is good,everything just is coming ootw right and growing like hell,although the last couple of mystie hatches are a ruddy pain they are climbing evrything,but all good all fat,well as fat as i want to see them anyway
thanks
Stu