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sidney ferrell Wrote:...rant...rant...
Best,
Thanks again.
Darts with parasites are analogous to mixed tanks, there are no known benefits to the frogs with either.
If tone is more important to you than content, you are at the wrong place.
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justin/rf:
Arboreus are pretty...at least the ones ive seen in pictures.
Say: are robalos legal to sell in the us hobby at the moment? Were the few that were sent to certain individuals legal and allowed to be sold when they were transferred out of certain institutes? just curious... Anyone?
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To anybody and everybody,
nobody in the U.S. has any Robalo but me. Step up if you got any or were promised any from me. That horse has been beaten to death and reported to death to U.S. officls, by Lynch and people he was prodded by. I sleep just fine.
You think you'll win this Sidney? So, was that email a few days ago just another lie? Or are they only one of many species which are illegal you have bragged about?
I see why you don't want to post. Not smart to post when your life in the hobby has revolved around lies.
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Let me re-phrase it Sidney,
You lie all the time, to everyone and I am about to prove it in a manner which will make anyone who continues to deal with you in any business seem as underhanded as yourself. While I , on the other hand, have nothing in print or verbally heard to make anyone think I tell anything but the truth.
To sum it up, you're screwed .
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BluePumilio Wrote:I'm pretty sure everyone knows that in a few weeks-months these won't be rare anymore. The exporter has already offered them to anyone who will pay the cash. I just hope that everyone got them at a fair price so they don't feel ripped off the next time they come in.
I order straight form the importer. I question weather the headache was worth it to them, and to those in Panama. From those whom I have talked with do not see this happening again.
markpulawski Wrote:Now if 6 weeks from now they all fall over and die we can change the status but until then some of the rarest morphs in the US are now in many more collections and hopefully our genetic diversity will live on for many years.
And that is why it is nice to see them in the hands they are in and not the kingsnake jobbers/flippers.
FYI: Daryl ended up with 0 of the frogs.
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Money talks....there will be more frog money coming down the pike at some point, and that will be mean more frogs from specific requests.
I can see this "happening" again...and kinda soon, based on the economy and people needing caishe.
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JJuchems Wrote:BluePumilio Wrote:I'm pretty sure everyone knows that in a few weeks-months these won't be rare anymore. The exporter has already offered them to anyone who will pay the cash. I just hope that everyone got them at a fair price so they don't feel ripped off the next time they come in.
I order straight form the importer. I question weather the headache was worth it to them, and to those in Panama. From those whom I have talked with do not see this happening again.
markpulawski Wrote:Now if 6 weeks from now they all fall over and die we can change the status but until then some of the rarest morphs in the US are now in many more collections and hopefully our genetic diversity will live on for many years.
And that is why it is nice to see them in the hands they are in and not the kingsnake jobbers/flippers.
FYI: Daryl ended up with 0 of the frogs.
Also, FYI,
Daryl called me about 1/2 ago. He plans on posting his thoughts later, but needed to get a new password to log on. He called me, FYI.
Rich
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Philsuma Wrote:Money talks....there will be more frog money coming down the pike at some point, and that will be mean more frogs from specific requests.
I can see this "happening" again...and kinda soon, based on the economy and people needing caishe.
***DING DING DING***
All it takes is $. More $, more info. Funny how that works. Not enough $ spent yet to do it right.
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RichFrye Wrote:Philsuma Wrote:Money talks....there will be more frog money coming down the pike at some point, and that will be mean more frogs from specific requests.
I can see this "happening" again...and kinda soon, based on the economy and people needing caishe.
***DING DING DING***
All it takes is $. More $, more info. Funny how that works. Not enough $ spent yet to do it right.
I am not trying to start a debate.
Where the are Colon, Bruno, Guarumo, Bastimentos, Solarte, Uyama, Rio Branco, ect of the past. If money talks were are these in the imports?
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^^^ They are "right around the corner" just waiting to be asked for....and PAID for.
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Sidney,
Truthfully, no need to comment on this other then to say you don't have to be well connected to get offered animals from someone. I don't think I ever claimed to be well connected. As for me claiming to be an importer...well, I'm pretty sure everything I've said can be backed up. Does it matter? Nope.
What does matter:
You said you had an import permit. Nope.
You claimed to import frogs. Nope.
You claimed to have a bunch of illegal/smuggled frogs. Maybe. You're welcome to address this.
So, what does matter? Well, not anything coming from your mouth, as most likely, it's just lies.
I'm still waiting for that lawsuit from you. Tell you what, everytime you mention my name publically, I'm going to start showing publically the truth about you. If I can't do it here, I'll do it elsewhere. I'll include emails from you, and proof about what you've said to me ans countless others, is lies.
I'm curious why you are deflecting this on me when you still haven't addressed your lies?
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Philsuma Wrote:^^^ They are "right around the corner" just waiting to be asked for....and PAID for. ***DING DING DING*** yet again.
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JJuchems Wrote:Where the are Colon, Bruno, Guarumo, Bastimentos, Solarte, Uyama, Rio Branco, ect of the past. If money talks were are these in the imports?
While I can't speak for all the morphs you mentioned. There were some frogs that Strictly brought in around 3rd quarter of 2010 that looked like Bastimentos and Guaramos. I had Mark Lucas cherry pick me animals from those shipments and still have them today. Mind you this was the only time in the last couple of years I have seen those animals among the more typical Caucheros, Cristobals and Man Creeks.
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Brunos have never been brought in either. Tiny little frog way out away from other green pums. Brunos were never brought in via "FR" Panama imports.
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Bastis in 2010, in only one of many shipments. I am looking for consistency like the Cristobals, Caucheros, Almirante, ect. I do not see the varieties that arrived this week to be available like the above.
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$600 for a pair of BJ's is cheap, damn Rich how much do you charge for yours and yes I saw a pic but I seem to remember someone saying you can't ID Pums from a picture? Did you say the rest Damian brought in weren't BJ's?
I have orange and green frogs in my group Rich, actually very orange, I also have red and green and they are the same, you don't see green in the legs of those pics? Pat says they are 100% the same and I think the guy that has the most experience with them (at least here in the US) would know, think what you want Rich but they are the same frog. I can believe it, I need no more proof than that morph being requested, that morph said to have been collected and that morph looks wise showing up, for me that's good enough. Why don't you find a way to 100% prove they are something else, then you can let 100% let us know. Once you 100% prove they are different I will eat 100% of my words regarding these frogs.[/quote]
Well, I guess I would have thought you'd get man-merantes for less than $600. You REALLY got taken. My pic jab was to enforce the fact you need to be to trust all involved, or their info is shit, and so is your frog lineage.
Simple.[/quote]
Keep it straight, actually those were Cristobal, unusually nice Cristobal but Cristobal none the less....at the time site specific BJ's seemed to me to be worth $600, would you not agree? Just turned out they weren't those frogs and yes I got burned by not getting what I wanted but I got other stuff I did not want that was the same value so i really could not bash the guy, for those interested in knowing why I never posted on that thread. And I agree pictures as I have proved with the BJ's can be worthless but seeing the frogs in real life is different, that is why I asked you to check them out.
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if only the "few" on here saying this was about money and to win a buc knew..... Pshh! If only you knew what the intended plan was and the requested numbers were of each morph then I wonder what other flaw youd find in this shipment.
Rich: at least be honest about one thing here. What was the plan with this shipment and what were the number we requested? Were they numbers thatd profit us all? Or any of us ?!?
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Can't bash the guy for making up info? No?
This is the same guy who has gone underground. the same guy who has not yet made it right for others in the hobby. The same guy who got "Zach Allen Smith" to buy from me , because Josh Lucas knew I would not sell to him.
No, no reason to bash the guy...
I forget Mark, exactly how many vivs do you personally have running in your house?
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I suspect that Mike and Ray never saw enough volume/profit to justify collecting some of the other morphs. If I remember correctly the only way that the Bastis and Guaramos made the shipment in 2010 was that they were accidenly mixed in with the more typical morphs. I suspect if they see money to be made you will be seeing more morphs coming out in the next year. Its already happening with the Popas. As long as it isn't nailed down and the profit outweighs the expense and trouble of collecting it, you can be sure it will be made available.
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All,
I guess this thread isn't really accomplishing much anymore [at least for me]...and it has the appearance of personal attacks which wont settle anything here.
I'm happy with the animals that were made available, the controversy I hope is entirely contrived because of a slow week in world news 
My time is quite limited so I really cant be spending it on this much longer, if at all.
So, Something new and important happens let me know.
Best,
Shawn Harrington
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