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markpulawski Wrote:Salt Creek without a flash, pretty accurate depiction of the color
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Interesting quarantine tank for wild caught pums...
Any pics of orange with solid green legs?

Philsuma Wrote:Rich,

Post everything directly related to your dealings with Sidney under his feedback thread, please.

Will try to .

Rich

RichFrye Wrote:

markpulawski Wrote:Salt Creek without a flash, pretty accurate depiction of the color
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Interesting quarantine tank for wild caught pums...
Any pics of orange with solid green legs?

Yes it is and no not yet, though most of mine are a tangerine orange color.

As long as they look 100% like the one pictured coming from Patrick's line, I'm good.

Good Morning,
I just wanted to set the record as straight as I could.
I read this thread and saw my name (Daryl from Chicago, Daryl34) brought up a couple of times. And the fact is that I have had some, and still do, of these NOT 100 % site specific pumilio. Yes that is true I have bought from the importer to add to my collection. And yes I am friends with Rich, I have gone of fishing trips , and out with Rich , and Rich is a good guy. But I want to make it clear he has told me at length how much he disapproves of me owning non site specific frogs. But we are friends, thats the bottom line.
But I am my own person and have my own Dogma to live by. I think these are really cool frogs, and I like them, period.
I have no issue with anyone on this thread or these frogs, this is my hobby, not my business. I have met tons of great people through this hobby, and want to keep it that way. If anyone has any questions for me, please ask me, pm me, or call or text me, I have nothing to hide 1-773-671-2650. For me I am done with this thread. I am back to my frogs and my hobby.
Thank You,
Daryl Szyska

Daryl the only reason I referenced you was so that Rich may get a chance to see the frogs in person and get a better idea, no offense was meant. Seeing you regularly offer frogs that were likely from him I figured you 2 were friends and he could easily get a look.

Mark,
All good Just wanted to make things clear. I wish no ill will on anyone, I do have frogs from Rich and, they are very nice, and breeding for me. I have a great group of froggers as my go to guys, that I bounce questions off of, and vice versa. The information has really helped, to breed the rarer frogs, with great success.
And hopefully my collection will continue to grow with the rarer frogs in the hobby.
Daryl

Philsuma Wrote:Are healthy, good looking pumilio appreciated in the Hobby ? Sure they are. Like I said many times, as well as in this thread - I'd buy WC pumilio and support the RIGHT people. There are importers and jobbers that will NEVER get my money, and then certain other ones....may.

It all comes down to "Frog Bucks". Who do you support ?

There will always be a percentage of the hobby that would buy anything from anyone and that's just a fact of life.

When it comes to Dart Frogs, specifically imports, I watch for 2 things:

1. Support for someone bringing in quality, healthy animals in a sustainable and conscientious manner

2. Not gouging and "strip mining" the hobby for $$ ...like selling to new people as their first frogs for $$$ . Everyone has a right to seek profit for their hard work, but if you've been around long enough, you'll KNOW gouging when you see it.

That type of thing.

So I'm watching this recent import with cautious "hopefulness", and I will see how it all pans out before declaring it a disaster or a success. Just my personal viewpoint as a hobbyist.

Quoting myself..hehe. Actually got a PM recently asking my "stance" and what I thought of the recent import and rather than answer it privately....I thought I'd do it this way. You all know me by now. :wink:

Phil, I feel the same way. I would prefer the best site data available and support people accordingly. I also tend to stick with animals that have been previously quarantined and treated where appropriate and then take additional steps once I receive those animals. Jobbers, flippers, and people with bad reps I avoid because there are enough people out there doing it right, so why buy anything less :?:

The new imports seem intriguing but there are other things higher on my list right now, many for the reasons I just mentioned. I am happy some of these imports went to people like Shawn, Patrick, and Daryl that have been around for a while and will do proper quarantines and treatments and ensure that these are around for a while. But I think we have to keep pushing for better info on these imports, even if its one step at a time.

Daryl34 Wrote:Good Morning,
I just wanted to set the record as straight as I could.
I read this thread and saw my name (Daryl from Chicago, Daryl34) brought up a couple of times. And the fact is that I have had some, and still do, of these NOT 100 % site specific pumilio. Yes that is true I have bought from the importer to add to my collection. And yes I am friends with Rich, I have gone of fishing trips , and out with Rich , and Rich is a good guy. But I want to make it clear he has told me at length how much he disapproves of me owning non site specific frogs. But we are friends, thats the bottom line.
But I am my own person and have my own Dogma to live by. I think these are really cool frogs, and I like them, period.
I have no issue with anyone on this thread or these frogs, this is my hobby, not my business. I have met tons of great people through this hobby, and want to keep it that way. If anyone has any questions for me, please ask me, pm me, or call or text me, I have nothing to hide 1-773-671-2650. For me I am done with this thread. I am back to my frogs and my hobby.
Thank You,
Daryl Szyska

Daryl, did you get any frogs from this recent pum import? I missed than in your posts. And others have said you did.
Thanks,
Rich

ANYBODY who wants in on the "new" stuff, here's a list with prices. 200 or more gets an even deaper discount...
Sergio is the contact name . ANYBODY. As in , no need for Sidney, anybody.




Oophaga pumilio Cristobal usd 35.00
Oophaga pumilio Almirante usd 35.00
Oophaga pumilio chiriqui grande usd 45.00
Oophaga pumilio El dorado usd 40.00
Oophaga pumilio Cauchero usd 40.00
Oophaga pumilio Solarte usd 40.00
Oophaga pumilio Popa usd 45.00
Oophaga pumilio Loma partida usd 45.00
Oophaga pumilio Salt Creek usd 45.00
Oophaga pumilio Bastimentos usd 50.00
Oophaga pumilio Escudo usd 120.00

Dendrobates auratus Taboga Usd 12.00
Dendrobates auratus Campana Usd 15.00
Dendrobates auratus Ancon Hill Usd 10.00
Dendrobates auratus Capira Usd 10.00
Dendrobates auratus gamboa usd 12.00
Dendrobates auratus Herrera usd 15.00
Dendrobates auratus El cope Usd 17.00
Dendrobates auratus Bocas usd 15.00

So are you directly importing? I have purchased from the importers, as well as others on this forum, and those prices are off.

No, I'll not import until I can personally confirm site data. But, ANYBODY else can...
Please post the 'on' prices then Jason. These came from Sergio.



Thanks,
Rich


**It is possible that the prices I listed are for more than 200 frogs, but that would be a communication error. These things sometimes happen when dealing out of country.**

RichFrye Wrote:No, I'll not import until I can personally confirm site data. But, ANYBODY else can...
Please post the 'on' prices then Jason. These came from Sergio.

If wholesalers wanted their prices public they would publish them as such, I will not be doing so. Some wholesalers sell to general public, most require tax id or other paper work on file to receive a price list and to order. I receive 4-5 price lists a week.

RichFrye Wrote:**It is possible that the prices I listed are for more than 200 frogs, but that would be a communication error. These things sometimes happen when dealing out of country.**

So you are dealing with the "Frog Farm's" numbers? Folks reading the "price list" need to keep in mind that importer are going to add additional fees for their time, facilities, use of their permits, and the hassle. Not to mention a profit margin and to cover dead loss. Some morphs are not all that off, but I can say these do not match what I have paid in the past and currently or what is published on price lists, they are high and low.

JJuchems Wrote:

RichFrye Wrote:No, I'll not import until I can personally confirm site data. But, ANYBODY else can...
Please post the 'on' prices then Jason. These came from Sergio.

If wholesalers wanted their prices public they would publish them as such, I will not be doing so. Some wholesalers sell to general public, most require tax id or other paper work on file to receive a price list and to order. I receive 4-5 price lists a week.

RichFrye Wrote:**It is possible that the prices I listed are for more than 200 frogs, but that would be a communication error. These things sometimes happen when dealing out of country.**

So you are dealing with the "Frog Farm's" numbers? Folks reading the "price list" need to keep in mind that importer are going to add additional fees for their time, facilities, use of their permits, and the hassle. Not to mention a profit margin and to cover dead loss. Some morphs are not all that off, but I can say these do not match what I have paid in the past and currently or what is published on price lists, they are high and low.

Tough noogies that prices got out. It's FAR from the first time , and FAR from a secret Jason.
Almost anyone can get an import licence and almost anyone who has been in the hobby long enough has friends ( who likely will want to 'go in' on the deal) with licences if the frogger (me for example) wishes to use another's license/s (power of attorney is yet another option) . Don't try to make it out to be tough to import. It's not. It's the trust level thats kills.
Please elaborate as much or as little as you choose as to costs, or anything else, but nothing I have posted is "off" or incorrect. Keep that in mind.

In 2007, I was purchasing pumilio for @45.00 each. No secret there. Also no need to publish who it was....for those who wish to dabble in imports - go right ahead. Google alone can get you all the info you need to start.

One of my 2 W/C pumilio importer "ventures" became a horror show with 10 out of 12 pumilio dying AND that was with me HANDPICKING what I thought were the healthiest. In 2007, I also considered myself fairly knowledgeable in specific care for that particular species.

Ya pays yer money...ya takes yer chances....

Some history.
It is not quite as easy to import these pums as just having a license. But money will buy you whatever you want from Panama, when it pertains to pums, and escudo...
Throw enough cash at Sergio and you'll get whatever pums you like, with or without info. You choice ($$$$).
The hassle with this last export may have been enough to put a stop to 'new' stuff, for a bit, but why not take more cash ? Pum is a pum is a pum when most large populations are found. (Escudo being a bit different. It's a major pain in the ass to get to)
At this current time it is my understanding that Strictly is the only import house which Sergio chooses to deal with. Marcus used to be another, but now he is buying his from Strickly. Things change...
With that, keep in mind the main thing that changes a business man's mind is cash. How much it changes is directly linked with the amount of cash offered and paid. Very simple.

Yeah, I think everyone knows that wholesale Pumilio have been going for $45-60 depending in morph and quanity, these are landed prices from the US importer. Of course, these "locale" specimens are going to be more, but we've already seen them retail for $195.00 pair. Based on that, I don't think the prices the importer was offering them for was too different then what they've always asked.

RichFrye Wrote:it is my understanding that Strictly is the only import house which Sergio chooses to deal with. Marcus used to be another, but now he is buying his from Strickly. Things change...

Strictly knows this, and this is why you are not seeing the same prices as 2007. In 07 a ton of price lists had pumilio, that just is not the case now. But like the stock market they go up and down depending on quantities being moved.

I am 100% sure that the price list I posted is current and correct. 100%. The ONLY variable is the number of pums needed for the price.
Are you saying I am wrong in any way here Jason?